Elon says Cybertruck might have options for hitch mounted motor propeller or special wheel hub with paddles 🚣‍♂️

[Dids]

Agree with most of what you say. But I don’t think this last bit is true.

Musk mentions a lot of things casually which people misinterpret as promises or actual features.

Nothing in Musks comment suggests Tesla is working on a propeller or special water wheels so I seriously doubt they are spending time on it.

Do you also doubt that they spent time on making the roadster fly for short distances? Flying requires flight control. Using cybertruck as a boat requires a method to control it. Part of control is power. He said for faster travel on water a prop or modified wheels of some kind would be needed. You doubt that any one at Tesla is working on that? I'm not saying that it will ever be a thing ...

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[JBee]

There's no point at all to boat mode unless you can propel it somehow. Churning road tyre will get you nowhere fast. It would become Teslas worst feature ever without some form of propulsion.

 

[Crissa]

Most boats are not built with a method of control, that's an add-on. Most boats are not powerboats, and even a number of them are merely ready for you to strap an outboard on them.

-Crissa

 

[Ogre]

Do you also doubt that they spent time on making the roadster fly for short distances? Flying requires flight control. Using cybertruck as a boat requires a method to control it. Part of control is power. He said for faster travel on water a prop or modified wheels of some kind would be needed. You doubt that any one at Tesla is working on that? I'm not saying that it will ever be a thing ...

I think there will be a SpaceX Edition Roadster with cold air thrusters. Whether or not it actually lifts off is very much “It depends”.

Look at the wording “There will be a special options package” versus “You‘d need to add a propeller…”. Seems pretty clear one is talking about what they will do versus the other talking about what you the buyer might do.

 

[firsttruck]

I think there will be a SpaceX Edition Roadster with cold air thrusters. Whether or not it actually lifts off is very much “It depends”.

It is definite that a SpaceX Edition Roadster will be able to fly. (A standard Plaid can already do it
Just need to be drive fast over the crest of a hill.
With SpaceX Edition Roadster you might land on the next hill.
The type of landing is the real question.

 

[Dids]

I think there will be a SpaceX Edition Roadster with cold air thrusters. Whether or not it actually lifts off is very much “It depends”.

Look at the wording “There will be a special options package” versus “You‘d need to add a propeller…”. Seems pretty clear one is talking about what they will do versus the other talking about what you the buyer might do.

My actual point wasn't that CT would have a boat mode or that roadster would be able to fly... it was that Elon should be taken seriously when he mentions thoughts. Frequently those thoughts seem outrageous or even dumb. I have discovered that on closer looking that almost always they are not dumb at all.
Here is a list of Elon that I think is dumb and how i have grown:
1. CT, look at it. It is just so dumb. Then I looked at it again and ordered one.
2. Buying Twitter. I'm still not convinced. Still think it's a Jack Dorsey conspiracy to kill Twitter for the anti democratic influence, don't really know how I feel,,, don't really care. But I need to take Elon seriously that he has an interest in it.
3. Proposed Ukraine peace plan.... hmm, Elon is very popular in Russia, with great power comes great responsibility. I learned Crimea is not and never was part of Ukraine historically. It had been a part of Russia historically.... Ukraine cut off water to Crimea after it was annexed so not totally blameless.... Doing nothing could be catastrophic. Anyone who donates as much support for Ukraine as SpaceX has should get a say.... what would be my plan? I have no idea. I should take Elon seriously...
4. Hyperloop. What are we... mole people? Do we need to be mole people? OMG we need to be mole people.

The list of shenanigans is long. In the end I have learned that Elon is often not just spouting off, he is communicating his considered thoughts.... poorly.
Does CT need a boat mode? Well ... climate change will lead to increasing flooding events. Boat mode is a resilience enabler. Do we need to become more resilient to climate change? OMG he is right, it totally needs to float and be able to navigate across the narrow sea.

 

[Crissa]

I learned Crimea is not and never was part of Ukraine historically. It had been a part of Russia historically....

This is false.

Basic geography should tell you it's false. Crimea isn't connected to the Russian mainland, but Ukraine. It's the historic land of the Tartars, who were nomadic - because there's not enough water and trees in that section of the world to support large cities and agriculture.

The history that Russia is spinning now is crafted

Ukraine has always existed on its own, in fact, it existed as settled cities prior to the establishment of Moscow.
https://lens.monash.edu/@politics-s...ins-false-history-of-ukraine-into-perspective
They grew up together, sure, but that's no excuse to invade a nation that voted to not stay with Russia. Every district of Ukraine voted to break from Russia, when the Soviet states broke apart. Including Crimea.

Putin is using an array of disinformation to support his war of aggression.
https://www.state.gov/disarming-disinformation/vladimir-putins-historical-disinformation/

And no, Ukraine doesn't owe unsustainable industrial farms and tourists water pumped thousands of miles to an illegally occupied district.

Of course the two sides' demands have no matching points: There is a clear aggressor here which has been blockading Ukraine ports and arresting and disappearing Ukrainian people for almost a decade now.

-Crissa

 

[JBee]

This is false.

Basic geography should tell you it's false. Crimea isn't connected to the Russian mainland, but Ukraine. It's the historic land of the Tartars, who were nomadic - because there's not enough water and trees in that section of the world to support large cities and agriculture.

The history that Russia is spinning now is crafted

Ukraine has always existed on its own, in fact, it existed as settled cities prior to the establishment of Moscow.
https://lens.monash.edu/@politics-s...ins-false-history-of-ukraine-into-perspective
They grew up together, sure, but that's no excuse to invade a nation that voted to not stay with Russia. Every district of Ukraine voted to break from Russia, when the Soviet states broke apart. Including Crimea.

Putin is using an array of disinformation to support his war of aggression.
https://www.state.gov/disarming-disinformation/vladimir-putins-historical-disinformation/

And no, Ukraine doesn't owe unsustainable industrial farms and tourists water pumped thousands of miles to an illegally occupied district.

Of course the two sides' demands have no matching points: There is a clear aggressor here which has been blockading Ukraine ports and arresting and disappearing Ukrainian people for almost a decade now.

-Crissa

See if you can try do do the counter arguement Crissa. (I'm serious btw)

Then we'll have something to talk about!

History is written by the victor (be they good or bad) and people and society "change".

Hawaii, Alaska or Costa Rica aren't connected either to the U.S. (nor is Australia as a US registered corporation). I still think it was dumb not to buy Greenland, land is limited and nobody on earth is making more of it...lol.

The point is simply: whatever you want to do you got to do it somewhere, so having more disposable land gives you more potential to do things. Ukraine is the wheat bowl of Europe, which btw includes Moscow last time I checked my maps...

 

[Dids]

This is false.

Basic geography should tell you it's false. Crimea isn't connected to the Russian mainland, but Ukraine. It's the historic land of the Tartars, who were nomadic - because there's not enough water and trees in that section of the world to support large cities and agriculture.

The history that Russia is spinning now is crafted

Ukraine has always existed on its own, in fact, it existed as settled cities prior to the establishment of Moscow.
https://lens.monash.edu/@politics-s...ins-false-history-of-ukraine-into-perspective
They grew up together, sure, but that's no excuse to invade a nation that voted to not stay with Russia. Every district of Ukraine voted to break from Russia, when the Soviet states broke apart. Including Crimea.

Putin is using an array of disinformation to support his war of aggression.
https://www.state.gov/disarming-disinformation/vladimir-putins-historical-disinformation/

And no, Ukraine doesn't owe unsustainable industrial farms and tourists water pumped thousands of miles to an illegally occupied district.

Of course the two sides' demands have no matching points: There is a clear aggressor here which has been blockading Ukraine ports and arresting and disappearing Ukrainian people for almost a decade now.

-Crissa

I said I learned Crimea was not part of Ukraine historically. And that it has been a part of Russia historically.... 1783

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea

 

[charliemagpie]

Greenland is not green.

I am sure it was discovered by a real estate agent.

 

[firsttruck]

I said I learned Crimea was not part of Ukraine historically. And that it has been a part of Russia historically.... 1783

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea

Why should something that happened over 200 years ago be more important more recent history some of which is over 60 years old and sustained over the terms of multiple (7) Soviet/Russian leaders. Things like:

1. In 1954 Soviet/Russian leader Khrushchev and politically joined geographically connected Ukraine and Crimea regions and several subsequent Soviet/Russian leaders Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko, Gorbachev and post breakup Russian leaders Yeltsin, Putin, Medvedev did not disturb the Ukraine/Crimea union. It is not until over 60 years after the Ukraine/Crimea union that dictator Putin now demands changes even though the Ukraine/Crimea was kept even after 1991 Soviet breakup ( again more decades). Even Putin himself was Russian leader for 10 year while Ukraine/Crimea union existed before invading.

2. In 1991, both Ukraine and Crimea region voted to leave Soviet Union/Russia. Crimea voted to leave Russia despite having been ethnic cleansed of most non-Russians during Stalin years as Soviet leader. From 2 December 1991 onwards, Ukraine was globally recognized by other countries as an independent state.

3. Ukraine and Crimea region are a democratic country being invaded by dictator led country of Russia.

4. In 1997 Russia had treaty with Ukraine and Crimea region that if they gave up nuclear weapons that Russia would not invade again and not change borders.

5. Dictator Putin is ethnic cleansing Crimea region again and also eastern/southern Ukraine.



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Never Again, Again, and Again
By Myroslav Laiuk, Ukrainian novelist, poet and screenwriter.
May 18, 2022
https://www.lawfareblog.com/never-again-again-and-again


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Treaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation was an agreement between Ukraine and Russia, signed in 1997, which fixed the principle of strategic partnership, the recognition of the inviolability of existing borders, and respect for territorial integrity and mutual commitment not to use its territory to harm the security of each other. The treaty prevents Ukraine and Russia from invading one another's country respectively, and declaring war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian–Ukrainian_Friendship_Treaty

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[Dids]

Why should something that happened over 200 years ago be more important than:

1. In 1954 Soviet/Russian leader Khrushchev and politically joined geographically connected Ukraine and Crimea regions and several subsequent Soviet/Russian leaders Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko, Gorbachev and post breakup Russian leaders Yeltsin, Putin, Medvedev did not disturb the Ukraine/Crimea union. It is not until over 60 years after the Ukraine/Crimea union that dictator Putin now demands changes even though the Ukraine/Crimea was kept even after 1991 Soviet breakup ( again more decades). Even Putin himself was Russian leader for 10 year while Ukraine/Crimea union existed before invading.

2. In 1997 both Ukraine and Crimea region voted to leave Russia. Crimea voted to leave Russia despite having been ethnic cleansed of most non-Russians during Stalin years as Soviet leader. From 2 December 1991 onwards, Ukraine was globally recognized by other countries as an independent state.

3. Ukraine and Crimea region are a democratic country being invaded by dictator led country of Russia.

4. In 1997 Russia had treaty with Ukraine and Crimea region that if they gave up nuclear weapons that Russia would not invade again and not change borders.

5. Dictator Putin is ethnic cleansing Crimea region again and also eastern/southern Ukraine.



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Never Again, Again, and Again
By Myroslav Laiuk, Ukrainian novelist, poet and screenwriter.
May 18, 2022
https://www.lawfareblog.com/never-again-again-and-again


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Treaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation was an agreement between Ukraine and Russia, signed in 1997, which fixed the principle of strategic partnership, the recognition of the inviolability of existing borders, and respect for territorial integrity and mutual commitment not to use its territory to harm the security of each other. The treaty prevents Ukraine and Russia from invading one another's country respectively, and declaring war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian–Ukrainian_Friendship_Treaty

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No.no.no. I said I take Elon seriously, I said I learned it was not historically part of Ukraine. I did not say wither it should go or that I agree with Elon. I take his peace plan seriously. I think I have not heard a peace plan in your statements.
Is your plan no peace therefore you are ok with Russia continually bombing Ukraine? If not then are you ok with Ukraine bombing Russia, do you want America to go to war with Russia?
What is the plan?
Let's just give Ukraine tons of weapons but not enough to actually win and let them bear the endless bombardment and hope Russia deals with Putin internally. Let's just hope that Putin doesn't use a nuke and "pray" a.k.a. wish that we don't then respond and they retaliate.
There is a genocide being orchestrated in Ukraine. Are we going to stop it or not?

 

[Ogre]

My actual point wasn't that CT would have a boat mode or that roadster would be able to fly...

My point is that what Musk actually says matters. He talks about a lot of things in passing which are just random ideas. He also talks about things they are actually doing. If he says they are working on something, they are. If says “Hey this is an interesting idea”… maybe they are, but quite likely not.

“Cybertruck will have quad motors and quad steering” These are things he’s said will happen.

“Cybertruck will have a propeller or water wheels”. No. He has not said this. He’s said you can add them if you want. It might be a thing. Maybe not. I reposted his tweet because some people seem to be reading words he didn’t say.

“Cybertruck will have a mid-gate”. Musk did not say this either. He said it was an interesting idea.

Musk is a bit of an enigma, but he shoots straight and is often very literal. You are right, he does say some pretty crazy things that come true. That doesn’t mean everything he comments on is going to come true.

 

[JBee]

No.no.no. I said I take Elon seriously, I said I learned it was not historically part of Ukraine. I did not say wither it should go or that I agree with Elon. I take his peace plan seriously. I think I have not heard a peace plan in your statements.
Is your plan no peace therefore you are ok with Russia continually bombing Ukraine? If not then are you ok with Ukraine bombing Russia, do you want America to go to war with Russia?
What is the plan?
Let's just give Ukraine tons of weapons but not enough to actually win and let them bear the endless bombardment and hope Russia deals with Putin internally. Let's just hope that Putin doesn't use a nuke and "pray" a.k.a. wish that we don't then respond and they retaliate.
There is a genocide being orchestrated in Ukraine. Are we going to stop it or not?

The next question there is who is the "right" entity to stop it at all, and next who can be persuaded to turn off the money tap in a proxy war? Too many on both sides profiteering from someone elses suffering and conflict.

It's not like it was a particularly popular move in Russia either. Ideally, local support for conflict will falter on all sides, on both sides of the conflict and third party supporters. But that doesn't mean the "goodies" have won, if at all there was such a side to begin with.

From my perspective the question should be how to change things to make the future work, together. By initially forgiving eachother how we got here for a time, to implement the changes, and then only remembering it to avoid conflict again, and implementing more change as a remedy. Reiterative peace process.

You can't change history, if history is true or not, justified or not. You can only choose today to change the outcome of the future.

But people can only adopt change over time, some take longer, some shorter, so you need to allow time to heal, using each healed scar as a marker for what not to do again.

 

[Crissa]

I said I learned Crimea was not part of Ukraine historically. And that it has been a part of Russia historically.... 1783

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea

...Yes, they invaded it and committed genocide on the inhabitants repeatedly. Did you miss that part? That doesn't make it part of Russia. Or even mostly a part of Russia, anymore than the rest of Ukraine,

-Crissa

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