Great time for Cybertruck PRICING PREDICTIONS

[Ogre]

That is not what I am saying. Even though they are changing prices frequently without any apology, I am not talking about 40% increase on originally announce price. I am talking something like CT4 for $90+K 9/23 to 3/24, CT3 for $80K 3/24 to 9/24, CT2 for $60K after and may be a CT1 for $50K in 26. Shrink or expand the price range or dates based on production capacity and demand.

Which product did they follow this strategy with previously?

You are essentially fabricating new narratives out of whole cloth with no real basis other than this laser focus what would end up as a very trivial short term windfall for Tesla.

Making an extra $10k on 10,000 trucks is background noise on Teslas earnings.

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[Diehard]

Which product did they follow this strategy with previously?

You are essentially fabricating new narratives out of whole cloth with no real basis other than this laser focus what would end up as a very trivial short term windfall for Tesla.

Making an extra $10k on 10,000 trucks is background noise on Teslas earnings.

I have no inside scoop. I am simply proposing this as one possible rout Tesla could take. What would you suggest is the likely senario? All trims available at originally stated price in August? Starting distribution from reservation number 1 down the list? Of course that is what we all hope for but do you think that is how it will happen?

 

[Ogre]

I have no inside scoop. I am simply proposing this as one possible rout Tesla could take. What would you suggest is the likely senario? All trims available at originally states price in August? Starting distribution from reservation number 1 down the list? Of course that is what we all hope for but do you think that is how it will happen?

I would expect Tesla would do what they have done in the past. As close as possible to Model 3 launch since it is most similar.

Model S and Model X launches were similar. Tesla announces prices, they take pre-orders, then fill those orders.

 

[Crissa]

In other words why would a CT that can go after a $100,000+ BEV customer go after a $40K ICE customer when supply is limited?

Because the line was for a $40-70k truck, not a $100k truck.

We lined up for nutty bars with an EV filling. If we get to the front and find out the price has basically doubled and it's instead a gold foil wrapped truffle... We're going to be upset.

And Tesla will have failed. The line will fall apart, and even Tesla-fan publications will talk about how terribly disappointing the Cybertruck is. How it's just for rich tech bros.

And it will never displace any ICE sales.

-Crissa

 

[CHC]

The majority of you are setting yourselves up to be disappointed

 

[Diehard]

Because the line was for a $40-70k truck, not a $100k truck.

We lined up for nutty bars with an EV filling. If we get to the front and find out the price has basically doubled and it's instead a gold foil wrapped truffle... We're going to be upset.

And Tesla will have failed. The line will fall apart, and even Tesla-fan publications will talk about how terribly disappointing the Cybertruck is. How it's just for rich tech bros.

And it will never displace any ICE sales.

-Crissa

what if Tesla came out and said, there will be a single, double and tri-motor at the price we promised and we keep the order of the line but we have a new trim no one registered for (a $90K quad) that we take volunteers for to test and refine CT before we can release well tested reliable trims we promised? The testing period will be only 9 months starting August. Would you volunteer? Drop out? Or wait?

 

[CHC]

...Elon initally suggested the Model X would start at $60k in early 2014. The base price upon release in late 2015? $132,000

 

[diangelorocks]

I'm guessing that minimum price for Cybertruck will be right around $50K. How about you? Let's see who can come close, especially for actual prices at the time when deliveries are fairly "common" and real, and not just for any first delivery event. Much higher, like $90K perhaps?

I’m pretty sure the CT price will be very close to the original CT price quoted by Elon in 2019. Do you people actually believe Tesla will continue to cut prices of all of their vehicles and increase the price of their most controversial upcoming CT?? Elon is on a mission to prove people wrong about the CT and silence critics. He’s obviously delayed the production of the CT to make sure they can produce it as cost effective as possible. He’s said on numerous occasions battery prices are down and they’ve figured out ways to produce vehicles more efficiently at very low costs. Just because Ford and GM were dumb enough to price their trucks outside of the average American buyer’s pocket doesn’t mean Tesla will.

 

[Ogre]

The majority of you are setting yourselves up to be disappointed

This cracks me up.

“Demand is infinite, look at the wait list, it’s 2 million long!!! Prices are going to be $1,000,000!”

Everyone on the forums: “If prices are that high we’ll cancel“.

“You’re going to be so disappointed.“

Apparently forgetting that the wait list is what it is based on the prices at launch. If prices are “disappointing”, wait list will evaporate. Look at the Lightning. As prices ratcheted up, wait list vanished. Now, far sooner than expected there is no wait list at all. Rivian is in the same boat.

As Musk has said over and over and over: “Affordability is what matters, as you get the car more affordable, demand will go crazy - basically."

 

[Ogre]

...Elon initally suggested the Model X would start at $60k in early 2014. The base price upon release in late 2015? $132,000

Model X was announced and pricing was to be “5-10% higher than a similarly equipped Model S”. They did not give a specific number. You are also at least $50,000 off, Model X was $80k at launch.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2015/11/23/tesla-model-x-price/76288918/

There was a signature edition at launch which was $132k, they may well have a launch edition of some sort.

 

[Newton]

Im sure somone mentioned it before, but Elon has (many times) talked about how their prices have increased (as has most of the world) hinting that they wont be able to keep the CT price the same as launch prices.

my guess is 50k for base :{ outside my price for sure, unless my order comes up in like 2-3 years.

but honestly Im over the hype and dont really care too much about the CT anymore.

 

[Ogre]

Im sure somone mentioned it before, but Elon has (many times) talked about how their prices have increased (as has most of the world) hinting at they wont be able to keep the CT price the same as launch prices.

my guess is 50k for base :{ outside my price for sure, unless my order comes up in like 2-3 years.

but honestly Im over the hype and dont really care too much about the CT anymore.

Musk did not talk about the price increasing “many times”, or ever.

He said once, when asked directly, he gave a vague hint that the market had changed since then. This was when prices of the Model Y were up $15,000. Since he said that:

- IRA incentives for batteries kicked in lowering Tesla’s effective battery costs by $45/ kWh.
- Cost of raw materials and shipping has dropped significantly.
- The price of the Model Y (and every other Tesla) has dropped ~$15k.

While I wouldn’t be surprised if prices are a bit higher, Musk’s comments certainly don’t suggest huge across the board price increases.

 

[Crissa]

...Elon initally suggested the Model X would start at $60k in early 2014. The base price upon release in late 2015? $132,000

This is just false.

The Model S wasn't selling at $60k then, and the Model X was not given a price pre-production. The first ones delivered started at $81k.

what if Tesla came out and said, there will be a single, double and tri-motor at the price we promised and we keep the order of the line but we have a new trim no one registered for (a $90K quad) that we take volunteers for to test and refine CT before we can release well tested reliable trims we promised? The testing period will be only 9 months starting August. Would you volunteer? Drop out? Or wait?

That's about what they did for the Model 3/Y. One edition single-motor version came out, it wasn't the expected one, but over the next couple years the Performance came out, the AWD came out, and finally, the standard price one.

No, I can't afford a car half the price of my house. We've covered this.

-Crissa

 

[Greshnab]

ok my guess...
quad 85k
Tri engine 70k
Dual Engine 55k
single engine.. will never be delivered.

Basis for this is the kicker on my Y to move to the dual engine long range was 10,500 <it is listed on the window sticker> so adding 15 k for each engine seems appropriate to allow for what is needed.. and adding 6k to the base price announced seems reasonable based on the time <10% increases is about right imho>

so do i KNOW nope no way I could.. but that pricing sticks the dual motor within a reasonable price.. right around the average price for a new vehicle in the US.. and each step up gives em room for the new engine and a little extra.

As far as OPTIONS go... honestly i think the only options on the configurator will be number of engines, wheels, and steering wheel. The only options for the Y are:
Engines
Paint no need on the CT
3 Rd row seating not available
Wheels
Tow Hitch should be standard on the CT
Interior color This one MIGHT be added.. lots of people spring for white.
and software.

 

[cvalue13]

...Elon initally suggested the Model X would start at $60k in early 2014. The base price upon release in late 2015? $132,000

Model X was announced and pricing was to be “5-10% higher than a similarly equipped Model S”. They did not give a specific number. You are also at least $50,000 off, Model X was $80k at launch.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2015/11/23/tesla-model-x-price/76288918/

There was a signature edition at launch which was $132k, they may well have a launch edition of some sort.

Key differences and similarities between the Model X and CT history of release.

Key differences in history:

• The Model X reveal (in 2012) included no pricing information - there was only vague speculation by observers and indirection inferences from Tesla, that the X would track S pricing, more or less.
• At reveal, and absent any information regarding ultimate pricing, customers were asked for a $5,000 - $40,000 ("refundable") deposit

Key similarities in history:

• The Model X release was delayed repeatedly (with indications that manufacturing troubles were partially to blame), with original release supposed to be late 2013 (a 2014 model year) but first delivery event didn't occur until late 2015 (and substantive delivery/production not until early 2016)
• The Model X ultimately released with versions having technology and features well beyond those indicated years prior in the prototype unveiling.

Based on the above Model X history, here's how release pricing and model availability went down:

The Ultimate Model X Release Pricing (Nov 2015):

• Signature Model - $137,000 (fully optioned, $144,000)
• Base Model - zero options $74,000 ($5,000 more than comparably equipped Model S at the time), but with some basic options $80,000, which zero option base then increased to $85,000 only 11 months later in Oct. 2016, after adding 'smart air suspension' as standard
• (Later, in July 13, 2016, Tesla introduced the even lower priced Model X 60D - then discontinued it only 3 months later)
• (Later, in August 2016, Tesla introduced the P100D with Ludicrous Mode

The Ultimate Model X Delivery of Optioned Models:

Basically, Signature Models were delivered first and disproportionately, with Tesla being cagey about how many cheaper version units were being delivered at all in the first year or two. Tesla declined investor requests to reveal those figures like other OEMs do. In any event, any such deliveries were for folks who put down $5-$40K deposits. New orders were taking up to a year or more to delivery, longer for cheaper versions - and sometimes the features and pricing had changed by the time the vehicles came around.

In that ensuing year+, available models and features jumped around, together with pricing and availability of a given model.

Lessons one could infer from Model X history:

• Telsa having previewed prices for given models, may stick near those prices for models with similar specs.
• Tesla may at release have other models, with other specs/prices, untethered to previously discussed models/pricing
• Of such unknown models, Tesla may prioritize them both in pricing and in delivery/availability
• Folks should be clearer about what they're predicting (e.g., what Tesla model/pricing/availability will be one day eventually, vs what CT model/pricing/availability will be in the first year or two of production)

To level-set and ward off the out-of-hand misremembrance responses, the below and other historical support is available:


02/13/2012 - 2014 Tesla Model X revealed (KBB)

Lifting the curtain on the next all-electric vehicle that will be produced by his pioneering Tesla Motors operation, CEO Elon Musk displayed a prototype of the 2014 Tesla Model X at the company’s design and engineering studio outside of Los Angeles, California.,,,​

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The new Model X... will only be available with the top two lithium-ion battery packs offered in the Model S: a 60kWh battery that offers a 230-mile per-charge range and an 85kWh pack capable of 300 miles when fitted in the Sedan... [and a] “Performance” version, which also will be offered...​

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Production of the new Tesla Model X is slated to begin in late 2013 and the first deliveries will start in early 2014 with a limited-run of premium Model X Signature Series vehicles. While pricing has yet to be finalized, the standard Model X is expected to start slightly above a comparable Model S, which opens at $67,400 when fitted with the 60kWh battery package and $92,400 with the 85kWh battery, both before the $7,500 federal tax credit and/or any other incentives.​

2/15/2012 - Tesla racks up $40M worth of Model X orders (CNN Money)

Just days after unveiling its Model X electric SUV, Tesla Motors boasts that it has already taken orders for $40 million worth of the plug-in crossover.​

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With model X prices expected to range from about $60,000 to over $100,000, the orders represent between 667 and 400 SUVs.​

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To reserve their Model X, customers were asked to provide a $5,000 deposit for the base version of the vehicle or a $40,000 deposit for the top-of-the-line Signature series Model X, Tesla spokeswoman Khobi Brooklyn said. The deposits are fully refundable should customers change their minds, however.​

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Brooklyn would not say how many of the deposits were for the Signature series models.​

11/05/2014 - Tesla Model X delayed, again (AutoBlog)

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That the Model X isn't exactly on schedule is not news. There have been delays talked about before. The original release date was 2013 which became late 2014 and then early 2015. The company is certainly getting ready for the X but now says it wants to deliver an all-electric SUVs that offers a good experience to buyers, without any problems.​

11/02/2015 - And Tesla's new Model X will cost you ... a lot (cnn.com)

Tesla's much anticipated Tesla Model X won't be out until later this month, but the buzz among eager buyers is building.​

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Among the talking points: Its expected cost -- a cool $132,000, or nearly 80% more than cheapest version of the Model S.​

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The Model X has all-wheel drive, which adds a second electric motor to the car. That is one of the biggest reasons for the price difference. ​

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The Model S can still be purchased with only rear-wheel drive, and the cheapest version, without any of the higher-end options, can be purchased for $74,500, according the Tesla site.​

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With same options, Model X is $5k more than an S due to greater size & body complexity. Sig Series is fully loaded, hence high price.​

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— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) September 2, 2015​

The first Model X being offered is a more loaded "Signature Model" and has premium features standard, such as an autopilot to allow the car can park itself, automatic lane steering, ventilated and heated leather seats and smart air suspension with GPS memory.​

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Add the all-wheel drive to a Model S along with possible options, and the price rises to $138,000, according to the Tesla (TSLA) site. The most fully loaded version of the Model X will cost $143,750, according to the screen grabs posted on Tesla Motor Club.​

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11/23/2016 - Tesla prices novel Model X SUV at $80,000 (USAToday)

Tesla Motors' long-awaited Model X, an electric-powered, long-range crossover with upward-opening second-row doors, has been priced at $80,000 before delivery charges.​

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That puts it $5,000 more than the lowest-priced version of the breakthrough sedan that turned Tesla into one of the most closely watched tech companies, the Model S.​

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Delivery charges add another $1,200.​

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Anyone who orders the 70D all-wheel-drive base model now won't see delivery of it until late next year, Tesla says on its website. To get one faster, customer need to order one of the two other upscale versions. The fanciest is the P90D, which has a zero-to-60 time of 3.8 seconds.​

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Tesla put the Model X on sale in September at an introductory price of $132,000 for a fully decked-out, first-on-your-block Signature edition.​

11/29/2015 - Tesla has delivered the first Model X SUVs (CNN Business)

The first Tesla Model X SUVs have been delivered to six lucky customers.​

Elon Musk handed over the keys Tuesday during an event near the automaker's factory in northern California...​

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The Model X will be available with the same battery and electric motor options as all-wheel-drive versions of the Model S sedan. ​

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If you decide now that you want a Model X, you're not too late -- but you'll have to wait a while. Cars ordered now will be delivered in about a year or so.​

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