1 week....and still clueless on price

[lowtek]

I thought one person that was getting an early truck posted what the sales contract value was. Some thought it was fake but it seemed real. It was in the 80 to 90k and many assumed that was the tri motor version

That was fake.

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[TBONO]

The pricing for the delivery event and retail could be different after all. So it really doesn't really matter how much the trucks are currently. Tesla is not unknown to massive price cuts once production ramps up. Also keeping some important information would continue to create hype and talking points until they finally deliver to retail customers.

Honestly, these trucks are very likely to be not fully functional on Nov. 30th, probably many of the features will come in a software update. I don't believe the Tesla app works with the truck yet and autopilot won't be enabled at launch like the Semis. AP and FSD will probably come online when there are more CTs in the fleet.

Or they could be fully functional….

 

[cvalue13]

Huh? Pricing details is kinda a key element in the release/delivery of a new vehicle.

people getting ‘delivery’ on the 30th aren’t paying what you’d pay, how you’d pay, or for what you’ll be able to buy


still, I’d guess Nov 30th they give retail pricing


At the same time, this is a Tesla release, so I also wouldn’t bet much money on it

 

[rudedawg78]

people getting ‘delivery’ on the 30th aren’t paying what you’d pay, how you’d pay, or for what you’ll be able to buy


still, I’d guess Nov 30th they give retail pricing


At the same time, this is a Tesla release, so I also wouldn’t bet much money on it

Thanks for the insight, C. I do have to ask tho... I was assuming the people taking delivery on the 30th are employees? Or VIPs? Are you stating that these individuals aren't paying retail price for the CT? Are they paying an inflated prenegotiated rate?

How has Tesla done this event in the past? Specs but no pricing? I hope they do release pricing and specs during this event...we can't just continue to live in this fog.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

We have had a steady drip of information about the CT, particularly over the last 6 months. If they do not share specifications and pricing at the upcoming event why have it? More pictures? After 4 years? Really? Don’t waste our time!

There will be features and probably great video and pics of the Cybertruck in action demonstrating some of those features, but at the end of the day it is a dog and pony show. Tesla has never released full specs. They let them come out when people start sharing the owner's manual online. If history informs us there will not be any pricing.

 

[Regenshire]

Historically there has been some specs and pricing at the these events.

For example, for the Model 3 Handover event they released the following information for both a Short Range and Long Range RWD models:

• Range
• 0 to 60 Time
• Top Speed
• Price

They also typically show some videos and Elon talks about how hard production of the new car is.

Historically they have not gone over every detail of the car at these events, nor broken out pricing down to an every option levels. Normally they just give the base price and the most important specs and don't get into too many details.

I think at a minimum we can expect the price, range, and base stats of the vehicle on Thursday based on historical hand over events.

 

[davelloydbrown]

Knowing Elon he prob won't even mention pricing yet because it will still take them a few months to really get the production to a point where they can deliver enough of them. More efficient for them to make large batches then deliver them vs making 10 and sending them out as they get made. We will see.

at the 2019 reveal, the pricing was the first and main feature. If pricing is not revealed on Nov. 30 there will be a reason- it is significantly higher than the original pricing and quite frankly it would be an embarrassment for Elon

 

[intimidator]

on the pricing... Did I miss something?

Tesla said it would be more than the pricing at reveal (inflation) and less than a million. Somewhere in that range.

 

[FRSandro]

I'm hopeful they're aggressive, price to be surprisingly very low, contrary to all expectations. Adjusted to inflation, pretty much as cheap as announced. I'm more worried about insurance, and if my 19 year old can drive one without paying an absurd premium because car totalled after a fender bender.

*IF* its significantly higher in 100k+ range for all the options in, I won't take it initially and I'll wait for a Plaid level price cut of 20-30k. Tesla price cuts can be crazy, so they'd rather start on the low end.

If it's not crazy high, but still high in the 95k range (again all options in), I hope it's flippable. I'd keep it if it really does it all and fit and finish are there, if not, I'd flip it at cost, hopefully more.

 

[cvalue13]

I was assuming the people taking delivery on the 30th are employees? Or VIPs? Are you stating that these individuals aren't paying retail price for the CT? Are they paying an inflated prenegotiated rate?

Yes, they’ll be employees and VIP-types.

Purchase terms wont be arms-length retail terms.

Vehicles won’t be standard-issue retail units.



Reasons for this at multiple levels.

For one, the retail sale of a (true) production unit triggers all sorts of financial and regulatory consequences for Tesla. But, they *can* sell basically pre-production prototype-like units on non-standard terms, and avoid those financial/reg triggers.

For another, the folks getting these units are almost certainly getting terms like various NDA-like constraints, certain warranty-like assurances regarding the early stage status of the units, etc.

And, we shouldn’t be surprised if the builds these folks are getting are non-standard ‘special’ configurations, that won’t be available to normal retail customers.


Notably, above and beyond the “delivery event” units, Tesla could continue following that ~same approach for additional build units for some time before Tesla reaches (and triggers) true retail production.

Take for example the Model S release, where Tesla deployed first “Founders” editions, then later “Signature” editions.


MS Founders were only offered by Tesla to select people to buy, not purchasable by the general public - these were ~delivery event units. Fully optioned, special features, not available to general public.

Signatures were thereafter a limited edition, also not quite available to the general public insofar as Tesla choose who to extend the ability to buy (as opposed to an open retail offer). This included having been the very first people to have placed a reservation. The signatures came fully optioned (eg mandatory, you couldnt get a "base" Sig version of the car). They had unique color options (Sig Red is popular) that don't make it to general production version, and a "Signature" badge on the car. Tesla makes one batch at the start of production and then they are gone. And, Signature X's required a $40,000 deposit and had a cost of $131,000.

Here was the Model S Signature Edition Reservation Agreement, which if you glance through you’ll see is a non-standard purchase arrangement (eg, “if you’ve previously bought a Roadster, we’ll discount the price).




Which is all to say that, with the CyberTruck, the delivery even units are analogous to the Model S “founders” editions. And after the delivery event, it’s possible that Tesla follows history with essentially a “signature” analogous offering: a special batch of several hundred or more units that Tesla would select to whom to offer, would have special terms and pricing, special limited-edition features, come fully optioned, etc.


All of which could occur for weeks or months before the first production unit (job #1 of retail saleable unit) occurs.

 

[rudedawg78]

Yes, they’ll be employees and VIP-types.

Purchase terms wont be arms-length retail terms.

Vehicles won’t be standard-issue retail units.



Reasons for this at multiple levels.

For one, the retail sale of a (true) production unit triggers all sorts of financial and regulatory consequences for Tesla. But, they *can* sell basically pre-production prototype-like units on non-standard terms, and avoid those financial/reg triggers.

For another, the folks getting these units are almost certainly getting terms like various NDA-like constraints, certain warranty-like assurances regarding the early stage status of the units, etc.

And, we shouldn’t be surprised if the builds these folks are getting are non-standard ‘special’ configurations, that won’t be available to normal retail customers.


Notably, above and beyond the “delivery event” units, Tesla could continue following that ~same approach for additional build units for some time before Tesla reaches (and triggers) true retail production.

Take for example the Model S release, where Tesla deployed first “Founders” editions, then later “Signature” editions.


MS Founders were only offered by Tesla to select people to buy, not purchasable by the general public - these were ~delivery event units. Fully optioned, special features, not available to general public.

Signatures were thereafter a limited edition, also not quite available to the general public insofar as Tesla choose who to extend the ability to buy (as opposed to an open retail offer). This included having been the very first people to have placed a reservation. The signatures came fully optioned (eg mandatory, you couldnt get a "base" Sig version of the car). They had unique color options (Sig Red is popular) that don't make it to general production version, and a "Signature" badge on the car. Tesla makes one batch at the start of production and then they are gone. And, Signature X's required a $40,000 deposit and had a cost of $131,000.

Here was the Model S Signature Edition Reservation Agreement, which if you glance through you’ll see is a non-standard purchase arrangement (eg, “if you’ve previously bought a Roadster, we’ll discount the price).




Which is all to say that, with the CyberTruck, the delivery even units are analogous to the Model S “founders” editions. And after the delivery event, it’s possible that Tesla follows history with essentially a “signature” analogous offering: a special batch of several hundred or more units that Tesla would select to whom to offer, would have special terms and pricing, special limited-edition features, come fully optioned, etc.


All of which could occur for weeks or months before the first production unit (job #1 of retail saleable unit) occurs.

Oh wow, I appreciate the in-depth response. I definitely learned something today. I had no idea about any of this. Thank you for sharing the details on how Tesla has treated delivery events in the past. This blew my mind up a bit. I have never purchased a Tesla, or EV, before and this was quite eye-opening.

I am now less optimistic that we will get what we truly want out of this delivery event. :\

At least this event will be one step closer to the Cybertruck being parked in my driveway.

 

[ED_SFO]

at the 2019 reveal, the pricing was the first and main feature. If pricing is not revealed on Nov. 30 there will be a reason- it is significantly higher than the original pricing and quite frankly it would be an embarrassment for Elon

I dunno, Tesla has never really gave us more or what we expect info wise. I don't expect much from the delivery event, might be like the model y delivery at Austin. Just a bunch of cars driving across a stage and that's it.

The engineer I spoke with on Tuesday seemed like they were pushing for the event just to have one by end of year as "promised"by Elon. They are not quite ready for prime time production wise and building some really nice units to show off at showrooms. Would make sense to take time to build say 100 very perfect units for all the showrooms while they get them dialed in.

Either way I don't expect much in terms of info...maybe just pricing for the tri motor. 6 days!!

 

[davelloydbrown]

I'm hopeful they're aggressive, price to be surprisingly very low, contrary to all expectations. Adjusted to inflation, pretty much as cheap as announced. I'm more worried about insurance, and if my 19 year old can drive one without paying an absurd premium because car totalled after a fender bender.

*IF* its significantly higher in 100k+ range for all the options in, I won't take it initially and I'll wait for a Plaid level price cut of 20-30k. Tesla price cuts can be crazy, so they'd rather start on the low end.

If it's not crazy high, but still high in the 95k range (again all options in), I hope it's flippable. I'd keep it if it really does it all and fit and finish are there, if not, I'd flip it at cost, hopefully more.

You will have to wait a year to 'flip' it.

 

[TexasRaider]

“2 weeks”

 

[ricinro]

You will have to wait a year to 'flip' it.

or leave it overnight in an cow pasture... Teenagers do get bored.

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