Range for AWD Cybertruck 200-250 miles after many real world tests

[cybercoffee]

I think the people posting also aren't experienced with EV's. Once a few influencers get their hands on one, more information will come out. Just because they work at Tesla, it doesn't mean they know much about EV's.

Yeah, ourcyberlife even mentioned in one video that it was the first Tesla vehicle they'd ever owned. and I'm pretty sure he is an employee

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[Crissa]

Why is this a thread?

There's no data here. Tesla's numbers aren't 'exaggerated'. A thousand foot gain in altitude isn't flat. Cabin heat and weather saps range.

This is nonsense.

-Crissa

 

[DrPhyzx]

Why is this a thread?

There's no data here. Tesla's numbers aren't 'exaggerated'. A thousand foot gain in altitude isn't flat. Cabin heat and weather saps range.

This is nonsense.

-Crissa

The AZ trip shown in the first post (with supposed 1000' gain) actually loses over 500' elevation *net* per mapping with Strava. I have no idea what the person who posted that was thinking.

 

[Crissa]

I’ll drive 300-400 miles in between meetings in a day. So I...

You what?

You drive across entire states between multiple meetings in a day?

What are you, a long haul trucker? They're limited to around 700 miles in a day.

How common do you really think that is? Do you ever track your loss in range when you've got the AC blasting in the summer heat in your ICE?

-Crissa

 

[JBee]

If heating and cooling of the interior was the issue then you'd have thought investing in insulation would be a common thing. Let alone for the battery, which would be super easy to do.

 

[TexasRaider]

FUD may have been a bad use there. It is someone that is taking data they don't understand to form a hypothesis.

On-line? On here?! Oh no! Never! ?????

 

[FarAway]

You what?

You drive across entire states between multiple meetings in a day?

What are you, a long haul trucker? They're limited to around 700 miles in a day.

How common do you really think that is? Do you ever track your loss in range when you've got the AC blasting in the summer heat in your ICE?

-Crissa

Not impossible, probably sales. My wife drove her Ford ICE car over 40,000 miles a year, 2 years in a row (company car). She is in sales and calls on auto, motorcycle and equipment dealerships. She would often have 2-3 meetings, hours apart in a single day and then return home. Thank God, she is now down to a more reasonable 20,000 miles a year. She also occasionally tows a horse trailer. Given all this, she will be sticking with her ICE vehicle for a while.

Having two vehicles, an EV for local or short-day trips and an ICE for long trips and/or towing, seems to make sense right now. While that solution works great for a two-car family it would be a stretch for a single car individual.

 

[Cyberostachu]

Very disappointing if true.

I have owned a Model Y for almost 3-years and 48k miles. I can verify that Tesla’s battery range estimates are extremely optimistic. I consistently get 15-20% less range than what the vehicle was rated for.

Same here. I have a Model 3 LR supposed to go 330 miles. I haven't gotten better than 250 miles. Yes, consistently lost 25% at best. I was hoping this CT would fix my range issue but I'm starting to doubt if I'll proceed with the order.

 

[AperiodicCoder]

Did anyone see this YouTube short? They are charging with the windows down at 33 degrees Fahrenheit. When they take off, the heater will be on full blast. Her feet were cold.

This is the person you are using as data for calculating range.

And in the comments they say “we’ve been driving too fast and blasting heat” in addition to having the windows open while charging. I think we’re seeing quite a worst-case scenario when it comes to non-towing efficiency.

 

[Nabilriaz69]

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I'm sure most people know this already, but there's an army of people out there whose singular purpose is to spread negative Tesla vibes and try to prevent Tesla from becoming even more of a success than they already are. The same kind of people have been predicting Tesla's imminent demise for the last decade, every year proves them more wrong.

We don't have official EPA range numbers for the Cybertruck yet (as far as I'm aware) but it's a strong bet that Tesla has already done the tests and the published estimatates from Tesla accurately reflect the EPA drive cycles. If so, that means if you drive the Cybertruck under the EPA drive cycles and conditions, it will return EPA numbers.

That said, the Cybertruck is the heaviest Tesla to date (not counting the Tesla Semi which doesn't have EPA numbers). This means using the brakes more often than the EPA drive cycles use (regen or especially friction brakes), will make it difficult to get the EPA numbers. That's true with all EV's but it will be more true of heavier EVs like the Cybertruck. Tire pressure is also more important with EVs that have tires that weigh 60 lbs. each because there is a lot more opportunity for all that rubber to absorb energy when underinflated.

That said, I think the Cybertruck will be able to meet or exceed the EPA numbers (just as we can with our three Model 3s) when driven on smooth pavement at a steady 60 mph. At slower speeds you should be able to exceed the EPA combined rating and higher speeds will of course come in less than EPA ratings. Remember, the ratings are always specific to the wheels and tires used, so don't expect to match the 340-mile EPA rating of the Dual Motor if you have the All-Terrain tires and no Aero covers.

A vehicle with such a high GVWR has bigger bearings and seals so the efficiency will improve as they wear in and also on longer drives where the bearings can come up to temperature where they spin more freely.

There are no free lunches but someone who thinks maximizing range is important, and makes the right wheel/tire/Aero choices should not be disappointed. The people who tend to complain the loudest are those who think little incremental range losses are insignificant, totally forgetting that every inefficiency adds on top of the previous, driving around on sub-optium wheels and tires (that are underflated too), accelerating and slowing like a yo-yo, speeding at 90, driving with windows and vault cover open, without a care are the ones who complain the loudest and try to blame Tesla.

I'm not telling you how to drive, configure your vehicle, or inflate your tires, I'm simply saying that physics is physics. Drive the EPA test cycles under the EPA conditions/configurations, and you should get EPA efficiency and EPA range. Unless there is something wrong with your particular example. No, Tesla doesn't cheat, the EPA would have caught them by now.

the fact is no Tesla car gets near EPA rating and no one can drive such that he gets good range , otherwise no point of enjoying the drive especially ev
And please stop blaming that people trying to down Tesla. People are commenting on data by Tesla employees.

 

[Cybertruck 1974]

so it's basically a crap test. 20 miles. pfft.

 

[Gigahorse]

And in the comments they say “we’ve been driving too fast and blasting heat” in addition to having the windows open while charging. I think we’re seeing quite a worst-case scenario when it comes to non-towing efficiency.

This video was from an in-town charge, not from their road trip.

 

[BayouCityBob]

Here is some useful data from the 2022 Lightning with the same combined EPA rating (320 miles) as the AWD.

The blue line is how much actual range they got.

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/...xlt-yearlong-review-update-3-road-trip-speed/

 

[Tinker71]

I have to question this very inefficient range. Prior to the sale and production of the Foundation Cybertruck, dozens of Cybertrucks were out in the wild being driven and tested. We were watching the videos of all these trucks being driven around in various conditions. I am sure capturing "real-world" range was a priority before advertising that the truck has a range of 300-340 miles.

If indeed that the Cybertruck only gets less than 200 miles on a full charge, then Tesla is going to have a PR nightmare on their hands. Let's hope that isn't the case. I am not interested in purchasing that bulky and expensive range extender to get the initial advertised range of the Cybertruck.

Range deviation in a CT3 is going to be more than a typical EV car like a M3. It weights more, the tires are larger and knobbier, the CD is not as good as a car. The suspension can be raised. The BAW in the rainy position will probably reduce range by 2% itself.

340 miles is almost perfect temperature, flat, no stops, minimal acceleration periods, 60 MPH I think.

You will pay more for variances in the CT. A lot more. I bet 80 mph through the hills will bring your range down to 200 miles.

Very occasionally I beat my M3 range protections. I have a lot of flat 50 MPH roads on my commute.

Tesla's stated ranges are possible, just not probable.

 

[Gigahorse]

Ourcyberlife channel posted some charging at a V3 supercharger and the results line up with other charging and range reports.

The problem is if the wh/mile numbers coming in more and more consistently now are correct.
CT drivers can expect to spend up to 1/3 of their travel time on a long distance trip charging. That is IF they can get the high speed v3 superchargers.

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