Range for AWD Cybertruck 200-250 miles after many real world tests

[BayouCityBob]

Do we have any data from the Monroney sticker on HWY / CTY range? There are very significant differences between vehicles. For example:

Vehicle	EPA Overall	EPA CTY Range	EPA HWY Range
F150 Lightning	320	350	282
Rivian R1T	328	342	310
Silverado EV	393	418	360

This will tell us a lot about what to expect

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[BayouCityBob]

Ourcyberlife channel posted some charging at a V3 supercharger and the results line up with other charging and range reports.

The problem is if the wh/mile numbers coming in more and more consistently now are correct.
CT drivers can expect to spend up to 1/3 of their travel time on a long distance trip charging. That is IF they can get the high speed v3 superchargers.

These charging curves suck. The CT is capable of 350 KW and 15% - 85% in 20 minutes. I expect to see some post-release software optimization on this.

 

[Mini2nut]

The fact is that BEV’s are still in need of a true battery breakthrough. The 4680 battery cell is an incremental step in the right direction.

The industry is probably 5-10 years away from a scalable and affordable battery cell breakthrough. Once that happens the floodgates will open up for BEV’s to go mainstream.

350 miles of “real world” range is the sweet spot for the majority of buyers. The magical 4680 battery cells were about cutting manufacturing costs, not huge efficiency gains.

It’s almost 2024 and even Tesla is struggling with acceptable battery range and charging times on its vehicles. Also, all Tesla owners know that the company is extremely optimistic with it’s posted battery range.

 

[Tinker71]

The fact is that BEV’s are still in need of a true battery breakthrough. The 4680 battery cell is an incremental step in the right direction.

350 miles of “real world” range is the sweet spot for the majority of buyers. The magical 4680 battery cells were about cutting manufacturing costs, not huge efficiency gains.

It’s almost 2024 and even Tesla is struggling with acceptable battery range and charging times on its vehicles. Also, all Tesla owners know that the company is extremely optimistic with it’s posted battery range.

Great post. I am still glad Tesla didn't opt. For a massive pack. Lithium ion tech is capable of almost double the current energy density theoretically. We will get there.

 

[Bkb13]

You drive across entire states between multiple meetings in a day?

Not impossible, probably sales. My wife drove her Ford ICE car over 40,000 miles a year, 2 years in a row (company car).

Having two vehicles, an EV for local or short-day trips and an ICE for long trips and/or towing, seems to make sense right now. While that solution works great for a two-car family it would be a stretch for a single car individual.

Yes, sales. I’ll leave Austin for Houston or Dallas in the morning. Do customer and board meetings from 10-3 then head back. I’ll average 25-30k miles every year.

Austin to Houston is 182 miles and 2.5 hour drive. Austin to Dallas is 184 miles and a 2.5 hour drive. Round trip for each is somewhere around 360-400 miles depending on meeting locations. Probably average one of these drives every week which amounts to 20k miles a year.

FSD would be really nice to have!

A range in the 400+ range is really nice to have!

I have a gx550 on order for my wife also, so I’ll probably switch in between the two depending on circumstances.

 

[Gigahorse]

Austin to Houston is 182 miles and 2.5 hour drive. Austin to Dallas is 184 miles and a 2.5 hour drive.

With the current stats you won't be able to make it from Austin to Dallas without charging or getting rear ended on 35.

 

[Bkb13]

Always figured you get a 20% range loss for going above 65, then another 20% loss for winter driving. You take a 318 EPA (AWD AT tire) mile vehicle and you now get 190 miles of range. I believe in the summer you’ll get 250 miles range.

Hence the importance of a 500 mile EPA range. Mid 400’s will work also. Same driving with the range extender on a cyberbeast (421 epa with AT tires) conditions will get me 252 miles range in the winter. And 336 in the summer.

Lucky for me, it’s mostly summer in Texas outside of December January, and February where it can get occasionally cold.

 

[HAL GALLUS]

I would like to see an average daily use.

(going to work and back)over a week.

 

[Dirt Worker]

500 mile range target, $69,900 price at reveal. 320 mile estimate range (200 possible real world) $99,000 release price. All this and 3,000 lower tow rating. Do I need to purchase the $16,000 range extender so I can tow my trailer out of the garage? If I took twice as long to do a job for a customer, built it smaller and charged 40% more, it would be a tough conversation and I would be eating some of my mistake. Glad I'm 44,000 down the list. I've got some thinking to do.

 

[rudedawg78]

After hearing this news, is anybody rethinking on ordering the Range Extender with your Cybertruck?

I know I am. I was previously against buying the extender. I regularly drive 12-14 hours for work projects, and I don't want to stop that often to charge up. I am one of those guys who likes to drive 4-5 hours without stopping.

 

[Nabilriaz69]

500 mile range target, $69,900 price at reveal. 320 mile estimate range (200 possible real world) $99,000 release price. All this and 3,000 lower tow rating. Do I need to purchase the $16,000 range extender so I can tow my trailer out of the garage? If I took twice as long to do a job for a customer, built it smaller and charged 40% more, it would be a tough conversation and I would be eating some of my mistake. Glad I'm 44,000 down the list. I've got some thinking to do.

The people who reserved the Cybertruck on reveal in 2019, as per my opinion not for using for real truck work. the reason they reserved because they are getting EV for 39000 with decent range or 69000 for 500 miles range, back then time Model Y was not released. it is funny people comparing the data of CT with Model Y even Model 3.
Fast Forward after delivery , mostly converted orders 99% previously own or currently own Tesla. so people are buying mainly to use as bigger SUV with some utility to tow a trailer and haul some stuff.

 

[Gigahorse]

After hearing this news, is anybody rethinking on ordering the Range Extender with your Cybertruck?

I know I am. I was previously against buying the extender. I regularly drive 12-14 hours for work projects, and I don't want to stop that often to charge up. I am one of those guys who likes to drive 4-5 hours without stopping.

Pretty much useless as a work truck without the range extender. If all these new numbers on range stats are close to accurate WITH the range extender the CT will have like 250-380 miles of real world range

 

[intimidator]

Have been trying to convince myself that 340 miles of range as opposed to 500+ would be ok. Really hoping the numbers coming in from these real world tests are people driving up a mountain pass with a 30mph headwind in -30 degree weather.
Just posting this as it hadn't been covered yet and is fairly new, was on a snap so is no longer up but there are a couple other videos on YT with people saying 440-810 Wh/m so this is in that range unfortunately.

Kyle with Out of Spec did a recent test of a Rivian R1T Max Pack which is rated at 420 miles of range.

He got no where near that.

I have an EV. And that is one of the reasons I reserved the 500 mile range Cybertruck back in November 2019. I knew I would never actually get 500 miles on one charge, but figured I would hope to get a bit over 400 miles.

If the EPA is 340 miles, I maybe down to real life 275ish? Lot different that my hoped for 400+. And I do drive fairly long trips several times of year and would love to have the longer range.
OR more chargers that can charge me from 10% to 80% in 10-15 minutes.

 

[Cybergirl]

We all should understand that EPA range, whether determined by the EPA or the manufacturer, is not real world range. EPA range is meant for comparing vehicle efficiency. The FS AWD CT with a 123 kWh battery has a Tesla measured EPA range of 318 miles with 20" wheels and 35" all-terrain tires. How does that compare with the Rivian R1T?

The EPA range of the R1T Dual-Motor with a 149 kWh battery and all-terrain 20-inch wheels with 34-inch tires has a range of 355 miles on a full charge. On 123 kWh, the R1T's EPA range would be 293 miles.

That compares to 318 miles for the Foundation Series Dual-motor CT. The CT weighs less (6603 vs 7,148 lbs), has 600 vs 533 hp, and a higher Cd (0.335 vs 0.30), not quite apples-to-apples, but pretty close.

Out of Spec Review tested the quad-motor R1T with all-terrain 34" tires and got 0.466 kWh/mi at 71 mph at 68 deg F ambient and 70 deg F interior with no preconditioning of the battery. A loop run was used to eliminate wind and terrain as range factors.

The test showed that in those circumstances and measured efficiency, a fully charged 149 kWh battery in a quad-motor R1T would provide a range of 318 miles. A 123 kWh pack, proportionally, would provide a range of 263 miles for the Quad motor, and ~7% more for the Dual-motor R1T (281).

I expect the Cybertruck to do as well. I.e, 281 miles on a fully charged 123 kWh battery drained dry. From 90% to 10% SOC, I expect a real world range of 225 miles at 71 mph, 68 deg F outside, and 70 deg F inside on level ground with no wind. Any less than that would be disappointing.

BTW, taking off the mirrors (if legal in your state) will decrease drag and increase range at highway speeds. Switching to all-weather tires will also increase range.

Need more? Buy the Range Extender for another 100 miles of range.

Is my analysis valid? If not, please explain.

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