Range for AWD Cybertruck 200-250 miles after many real world tests

[Gigahorse]

We need many examples to draw conclusions. That one example said average speed 63 mph but they could also have really fast acceleration and no Regen or harder breaking than Regen can gather.

But if it's this bad I'll just get a Rivian.

Agreed that it would be nice to have 1 million miles of data and several thousand charges. But for some reason after 4 years of waiting and a month after delivery there is almost no info.
Grateful to the 3-4 people who got trucks early that are now sharing info with us peasants. The speed could be a bad variable I agree if someone drag races for 20 miles then drives at 1mph the average will be terrible.

But the new charging speed data coming in, 70 degrees, battery preconditioned, and it takes an hour to go from 14-90% aka 150 miles is brutal. Drive until 15% then charge for an hour to drive for who hours on the highway.

I wish Tesla would just release some of this info because everything slowly coming out looks pretty bad.

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[Celiboy]

I could deal with 250 miles of range if they could charge reasonably fast. Even on the V2 chargers the charge rate is really rough, like an hour to go from 15-90%

Yeah it is. One of the downsides of EV ownership. When we’re on trips and I’m charging for the ride home I go knowing it’ll take a while depending on how much range I need. That’s only on trips. The 99% of the time I need to charge it’s at home when I’m sleeping.

 

[Gigahorse]

Kyle with Out of Spec did a recent test of a Rivian R1T Max Pack which is rated at 420 miles of range.

He got no where near that.

I have an EV. And that is one of the reasons I reserved the 500 mile range Cybertruck back in November 2019. I knew I would never actually get 500 miles on one charge, but figured I would hope to get a bit over 400 miles.

If the EPA is 340 miles, I maybe down to real life 275ish? Lot different that my hoped for 400+. And I do drive fairly long trips several times of year and would love to have the longer range.
OR more chargers that can charge me from 10% to 80% in 10-15 minutes.

When Kyle did that test he got over 285 miles so 80% of the Rivian's advertised range while highway driving.
These tests from CTs are like 58% of their advertised range, we all know that mpg/wh/m estimates are generous/inflated but 58% is nowhere in the ballpark

 

[LarryASilva]

Can we stop this nonsense please. I could start my own range experiment at the top of a mountain and drive to the bottom. It would then show that Tesla's actually gain energy when driving and have unlimited range. These posts are nothing but FUD with people that have no experience driving EV's and don't understand the difference between a kW and kWh.

All of these early anecdotal reports are interesting. If the upcoming real world range tests from Motortrend, Edmunds etc confirm these results ... well ... that is just the way it is. I would argue that the best range anxiety ... is NO RANGE ANXIETY. While anybody's guess is as good as mine ... all these new battery recipes we now read about ... will not give us 600+ mile CT ranges ... for at least 3 years. I will still get my reserved CT ... but I will be trading in for a 2nd gen CT when the new battery tech comes out in a few years that AT LEAST doubles and MAYBE can unexpectedly even triple the current range. In particular, the NASA SABERS and AMPIRUS silicone batteries seem promising. And lettuce knot forget about the similar battery tech work coming out of China.

 

[Gigahorse]

All of these early anecdotal reports are interesting. If the upcoming real world range tests from Motortrend, Edmunds etc confirm these results ... well ... that is just the way it is. I would argue that the best range anxiety ... is NO RANGE ANXIETY. While anybody's guess is as good as mine ... all these new battery recipes we now read about ... will not give us 600+ mile CT ranges ... for at least 3 years. I will still get my reserved CT ... but I will be trading in for a 2nd gen CT when the new battery tech comes out in a few years that AT LEAST doubles and MAYBE can unexpectedly even triple the current range. In particular, the NASA SABERS and AMPIRUS silicone batteries seem promising. And lettuce knot forget about the similar battery tech work coming out of China.

100% looking forward to some pros (Edmunds etc) doing extensive testing on these. BUT for now this is the ONLY information coming out. At the moment the CT having under 200 miles of real world range looks possible which I certainly hope is not the case.

 

[intimidator]

Yea the rivian's numbers were bad, but not that bad. Did you see the charging threads, CT taking over an hour to charge at a 250w charger from 15-90%. So 180 miles of range and an hour to mostly recharge, is tough.

Hopefully the Industry will continue to make improvements to both the charging speed/curve and range.

Love my EVs, but I will welcome greater range. Hopefully in the next 5 years or so.

 

[Gigahorse]

Hopefully the Industry will continue to make improvements to both the charging speed/curve and range.

Love my EVs, but I will welcome greater range. Hopefully in the next 5 years or so.

Yea, I feel like we have been saying "in another 5 years" for about the last 10 years.
Certainly for the last 4 years with our 500+ mile CT

 

[intimidator]

Yea the rivian's numbers were bad, but not that bad. Did you see the charging threads, CT taking over an hour to charge at a 250w charger from 15-90%. So 180 miles of range and an hour to mostly recharge, is tough.

Can't wait for more people to do real life tests of the Cybertruck. I sure hope the 340 mile range version is not below 200 miles. Yikes!

 

[Crissa]

Not impossible, probably sales. My wife drove her Ford ICE car over 40,000 miles a year, 2 years in a row (company car). She is in sales and calls on auto, motorcycle and equipment dealerships. She would often have 2-3 meetings, hours apart in a single day and then return home. Thank God, she is now down to a more reasonable 20,000 miles a year. She also occasionally tows a horse trailer. Given all this, she will be sticking with her ICE vehicle for a while.

Having two vehicles, an EV for local or short-day trips and an ICE for long trips and/or towing, seems to make sense right now. While that solution works great for a two-car family it would be a stretch for a single car individual.

That's still under 200 miles, if you did it four days a week.

It's just... saying you need to go 300 miles between meetings in a day is super-unlikely. Let alone unhealthy.

Yes, sales. I’ll leave Austin for Houston or Dallas in the morning. Do customer and board meetings from 10-3 then head back. I’ll average 25-30k miles every year.

Austin to Houston is 182 miles and 2.5 hour drive. Austin to Dallas is 184 miles and a 2.5 hour drive. Round trip for each is somewhere around 360-400 miles depending on meeting locations. Probably average one of these drives every week which amounts to 20k miles a year.

FSD would be really nice to have!

A range in the 400+ range is really nice to have!

I have a gx550 on order for my wife also, so I’ll probably switch in between the two depending on circumstances.

You just showed you don't need 400 miles range. 200 hwy would do. Heck, all you need is a destination charger at each end and you've completely negated the entire concept of 'stopping to fuel'.

Pretty much useless as a work truck without the range extender. If all these new numbers on range stats are close to accurate WITH the range extender the CT will have like 250-380 miles of real world range

Literally gibberish.

A Tesla easily does the long distance trips, the only real change is you stop where the chargers are instead of where the gas stations are.

-Crissa

 

[Bkb13]

You just showed you don't need 400 miles range. 200 hwy would do. Heck, all you need is a destination charger at each end and you've completely negated the entire concept of 'stopping to fuel'.

You going to magic up a destination charger where they don’t exist?

 

[Gigahorse]

Literally gibberish.
A Tesla easily does the long distance trips, the only real change is you stop where the chargers are instead of where the gas stations are.
-Crissa

Have you seen the people doing long distance trips in the CT the last few days?
180 mile real world rang so they have to sometimes stop at 150kw chargers and an HOUR to charge from 15-80%
Show me an ICE vehicle, or another EV that can only go 200 miles and takes an HOUR to charge to 80%

Long distance trip in a Model 3 or Y, no problem. But to drive for 2 hours to have to charge for an hour to continue on is problematic. Hopefully fixable with software.

 

[Crissa]

You going to magic up a destination charger where they don’t exist?

That's why there's tax incentives to add them, pretty much every downtown and office park has them here.

You going to magic up a 500 mile truck that recharges in five minutes so you can dash two hundred miles?

Have you seen the people doing long distance trips in the CT the last few days?
180 mile real world rang so they have to sometimes stop at 150kw chargers and an HOUR to charge from 15-80%
Show me an ICE vehicle, or another EV that can only go 200 miles and takes an HOUR to charge to 80%

Long distance trip in a Model 3 or Y, no problem. But to drive for 2 hours to have to charge for an hour to continue on is problematic. Hopefully fixable with software.

Weirdly, they're

• early adopters.
• They're going very fast,
• They enjoying having their big trucks,
• accelerate really fast.

And they charging on v2 chargers.

It's not brutal to drive for three hours and have to stop. If you want faster charging times, you need to:

• Know where the v4 chargers are;
• (Wait for the v4 and Cybertruck battery shakeout period,)
• Have a target charge of under 10% to arrive at;
• Stop charging when you have the minimum to get to the next charger.

The only reason you charge to 90% is if you aren't going to make it to the next charger.

You want to charge faster on a road trip? Buy a smaller EV.

-Crissa

 

[Gigahorse]

Weirdly, they're

• early adopters. - 2/3 have owned 2 teslas and have over 200,000 miles of driving teslas
• They're going very fast, - it is the highway so kinda have to
• They enjoying having their big trucks, - true
• accelerate really fast. - unlikely on a 3,000 mile road trip

And they charging on v2 chargers. - no they are doing almost exclusively v3

It's not brutal to drive for three hours and have to stop. If you want faster charging times, you need to:

• Know where the v4 chargers are; - all 3 of them in the US?
• (Wait for the v4 and Cybertruck battery shakeout period,) - v4 several years out
• Have a target charge of under 10% to arrive at; - sub 20% sure, sub 10% risky
• Stop charging when you have the minimum to get to the next charger. - with 178 miles of range thats gonna be pretty often

The only reason you charge to 90% is if you aren't going to make it to the next charger.

You want to charge faster on a road trip? Buy a smaller EV. - true

-Crissa

 

[Woodrick]

Agreed that it would be nice to have 1 million miles of data and several thousand charges. But for some reason after 4 years of waiting and a month after delivery there is almost no info.
Grateful to the 3-4 people who got trucks early that are now sharing info with us peasants. The speed could be a bad variable I agree if someone drag races for 20 miles then drives at 1mph the average will be terrible.

But the new charging speed data coming in, 70 degrees, battery preconditioned, and it takes an hour to go from 14-90% aka 150 miles is brutal. Drive until 15% then charge for an hour to drive for who hours on the highway.

I wish Tesla would just release some of this info because everything slowly coming out looks pretty bad.

Why in the F*** would you charge to 90%? You do realize that the last 20% is going to take as long as the 14-70%?
It takes an hour on a Model Y to go from 10-90%. And on a V3 charger, it takes just a minute or two to go from 10-16%.

And there is plenty of data out there, you just seem to be ignoring it. Maybe look at the manufacturers site for some of it.

But then again, the vehicle is less than 6 months old.

Stop listening to YouTube posters who purposely stretch the truth to get views.

I expect that the truck will get what Tesla says and that I'll actually be able to get higher, if I desire.

 

[Gigahorse]

Why in the F*** would you charge to 90%? You do realize that the last 20% is going to take as long as the 14-70%?
It takes an hour on a Model Y to go from 10-90%. And on a V3 charger, it takes just a minute or two to go from 10-16%.

And there is plenty of data out there, you just seem to be ignoring it. Maybe look at the manufacturers site for some of it.

But then again, the vehicle is less than 6 months old.

Stop listening to YouTube posters who purposely stretch the truth to get views.

I expect that the truck will get what Tesla says and that I'll actually be able to get higher, if I desire.

Why in the F*** would you charge to 90%? You do realize that the last 20% is going to take as long as the 14-70%? - Because you need more than 161 miles to get to the next supercharger............

Right now the only people doing real world testing and reporting on these trucks that have been in the works for 4 years and were delivered a month ago area a handful of Twitter/Youtube posters. Would LOVE some more info. As far as the mfg site for info.......said 500+ miles of range until pretty recently......

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