Range for AWD Cybertruck 200-250 miles after many real world tests

[Woodrick]

Have you looked at this thread? Especially the edits to the original post?
I think the post edit screenshot below is likely one of the most encouraging and positive range #s we have seen. Which I added to the original post.....
Just because some of the news about range has been bad, don't assume the messenger is happy about it.

So I agree, you decide. I have posted some early real world range numbers that most of us actually planning on buying this truck are interested in. After years of no info I am posting the range #s that are coming out, some of them are disappointing but if sharing that bad news (and good in edit screenshotted below) that makes me a troll sorry.

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I see that you don't seem to have owned an EV before.
How closely did you follow the Model 3 and Model Y introductions?
How familiar are you with actual usage of an EV?
How much experience do you have understanding the expect battery utilization of a 20 mile trip?
How much are you familiar with range in warmer temperatures vs cooler temperatures?


Or have you just been regurgitating the information in a couple of YouTube videos a gazillion times?

There are already some other pieces of information indicating that you are losing your war.
So maybe it may be prudent that you sit back and collect a representative sample of information first.

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[Gigahorse]

I see that you don't seem to have owned an EV before.
How closely did you follow the Model 3 and Model Y introductions?
How familiar are you with actual usage of an EV?
How much experience do you have understanding the expect battery utilization of a 20 mile trip?
How much are you familiar with range in warmer temperatures vs cooler temperatures?


Or have you just been regurgitating the information in a couple of YouTube videos a gazillion times?

There are already some other pieces of information indicating that you are losing your war.
So maybe it may be prudent that you sit back and collect a representative sample of information first.

Owned no, driven about 1,500 miles
EV expert, definitely not, but I can see the 400 wh/mile is GOOD and the 800 wh/mile is BAD

PLEASE if you have some real world info on these vehicles you can share with the rest of us, please do.
I have posted snaps, screenshots, etc from people actually posting info, not all of us are ready to wait 6 months for Edmunds to do a full review. So posting the info that is out there from the 4-5 people sharing it, after most of us have waited 4+ years.

But if your "beef" with me is that I posted some of the real world info that is coming in and I am not Sandy or Out of Spec breaking things down from an expert opinion, not sure what to tell ya.

 

[SlegMD]

So I think this gigahorse guy is a troll, I literally joined to say this. His history (over 150 posts) is almost all negative comments, take a look for yourself. Avatar is sus, as is "1 million miles on ICE toyotas". He screenshotted this part of the video of "Our Cyber Life" charging, but then ignored the part where they showed 382Wh/mi on their screen (same video). You decide.

Our Cyber Life just posted another video today and I managed to screen cap it again. 110 mi driven, 41kWh used, 373Wh/mi, and they're driving 75mph.

They're clearly learning how to drive efficiently. In their road trip video they said they were initially driving 85mph with the heat blasting, and they had the cover open.

I would say it is OK if someone presents data that users find useful whether critical or supportive. Tesla is not gratuitous with information and should release data from all of their alleged testing. I would say OP is definitely generalizing and is considering a limited small sample size with limited info. He has not persuaded me of anything but alludes to the fact that evidently driving the cyberbeast like a beast will get you nowhere.

 

[Gigahorse]

Not a level assessment when one got significantly worse, but the more pragmatic of the two got a bump.

Cyberbeast: 500+ > 320 (301 All Terain Tires)
Dual AWD: 300+ > 340 (318 All Terain Tires)

Definitely the Tri-Motor is a specs failure, but damn it looks fun and while I ordered a Tri-Motor at launch, I couldn't get behind the money proposition. If I had f**k you money, I would have ordered it with the Range Extender but I don't so I went with the AWD and won't look back.

Yea I was in line for a tri motor for the range, after new specs would love the zoom of the beast but will take the range improvement of the AWD assuming the #s are in the ballpark which I am hopeful that with a software push that charging and range will be better than early reports show.

 

[FRSandro]

Well, I currently drive a previous generation of the Toyota Sequoia.

My long highway drive are usually LA to San Francisco, via highway 5.

I don't care about mileage, I just follow traffic. I usually set to follow any reasonably fast car ahead.

80mph is the norm. 90mph burst happens every 5 min for passing.

You drive 65-70 on an relatively empty highway 5, you're going slower than some box trucks.

You drive an empty car for 500miles? I'd take an airplane.

The point of a 500mile road trip is to get there loaded. 4 people, plus luggage and fun gear (skiis for instance, not just a backpack for each).

I'm hoping the AWD CT will do 250miles at least no matter how you drive or how much you load it.

350 if you drive it like a Prius. And I absolutely hate those hypermiling people who coast to a stop in the city and take 30 sec to go from 0-45. I don't see Teslas doing that much. I hope the CT will be reasonable enough.

If it's less than 250 fully loaded and driving at California traffic speeds.

I'm out.

 

[Coltpete]

It won't be a PR nightmare and it won't be 200 miles on a full charge unless it is really cold and you are blasting the heater. Below is some real information from someone that their family has driven close to 300,000 miles on EV's in the last 6 years.

1. If Tesla states 340 miles, it will be closer to 270 miles.
2. People don't understand this, but battery capacity depends on temperature. If it is 0 degrees Celsius and you have 120 kWh of battery capacity, it might only accept 100 kWh of energy at that temperature. That 120 kWh is tested at around 25 degrees Celsius. If the temperature is closer to 100 degrees Fahrenheit, you might be able to charge you car closer to 130 kWh.
3. You need a round trip to estimate range. Elevation and wind need to be accounted for.
4. EV's suck in cold climates. ICE engines will help heat cabins with the ability to remove the wasted heat from the combustion engine. If you live in a cold climate, you will be disappointed with an EV. It is perfect for me in the Central Valley in California.

It will absolutely be a PR nightmare. Especially when it's competition already has had trucks out there beating this range for quite some time. Now it also looks like Rivian battery charging is also better. Hopefully Tesla is intentionally throttling charging at this point until they've worked out some kinks. Otherwise 50 minutes for 200 miles is a joke.

 

[Gigahorse]

Well, I currently drive a previous generation of the Toyota Sequoia.

My long highway drive are usually LA to San Francisco, via highway 5.

I don't care about mileage, I just follow traffic. I usually set to follow any reasonably fast car ahead.

80mph is the norm. 90mph burst happens every 5 min for passing.

You drive 65-70 on an relatively empty highway 5, you're going slower than some box trucks.

You drive an empty car for 500miles? I'd take an airplane.

The point of a 500mile road trip is to get there loaded. 4 people, plus luggage and fun gear (skiis for instance, not just a backpack for each).

I'm hoping the AWD CT will do 250miles at least no matter how you drive or how much you load it.

350 if you drive it like a Prius. And I absolutely hate those hypermiling people who coast to a stop in the city and take 30 sec to go from 0-45. I don't see Teslas doing that much. I hope the CT will be reasonable enough.

If it's less than 250 fully loaded and driving at California traffic speeds.

I'm out.

100%
I wanted 500 but I can make 250 real world miles work without to much grumbling.
I get the hypermiling some people like to do, but if your doing 55 on the highway out west for range your going to get rear ended.
Some of the newer numbers coming out are looking like 250+ is possible so hopefully the early numbers were off and outliers, not these newer ones.

 

[Gigahorse]

It will absolutely be a PR nightmare. Especially when it's competition already has had trucks out there beating this range for quite some time. Now it also looks like Rivian battery charging is also better. Hopefully Tesla is intentionally throttling charging at this point until they've worked out some kinks. Otherwise 50 minutes for 200 miles is a joke.

Yea hope that it is a software thing, little concerning that it hasn't been adjusted already but there are also only like 15 of these things truly in the wild.

 

[Coltpete]

Yea hope that it is a software thing, little concerning that it hasn't been adjusted already but there are also only like 15 of these things truly in the wild.

Agreed but it's early yet. It's crazy these people are paying a premium to essentially be a Cybertruck beta tester. I’m going to be passing on the Foundation if it gets to me. I need more info

 

[Gigahorse]

Agreed but it's early yet. It's crazy these people are paying a premium to essentially be a Cybertruck beta tester. I’m going to be passing on the Foundation if it gets to me. I need more info

Yea kinda expensive if your not trying to rent it daily to recoup your $ or make a lot of online content to monetize. Granted some people have that kind of disposable income.
Hoping that one of those Youtuber / Twitter people will get one and post a LOT of info, a month after release and data is barely trickling out.

 

[JBee]

Yea hope that it is a software thing, little concerning that it hasn't been adjusted already but there are also only like 15 of these things truly in the wild.

Probably not so much a "software thing" as much as it's intentional and they are limiting charge times until they get more feedback from the vehicles that are out. No need to stress the systems for a few vehicles. Better off easing into it.

 

[Gigahorse]

Probably not so much a "software thing" as much as it's intentional and they are limiting charge times until they get more feedback from the vehicles that are out. No need to stress the systems for a few vehicles. Better off easing into it.

That intentional throttling would be something on Tesla's end though right, and when they are confident they would open up/release that charging speed and range efficiency through a software update I would assume?

 

[cvalue13]

I see that you don't seem to have owned an EV before.
How closely did you follow the Model 3 and Model Y introductions?
How familiar are you with actual usage of an EV?
How much experience do you have understanding the expect battery utilization of a 20 mile trip?
How much are you familiar with range in warmer temperatures vs cooler temperatures?

i think you’re being a bit unfair. Dude is clearly being a bit down on some of the range stats coming out, but that doesn’t make one a troll.

meanwhile, you’ve been on this forum since yesterday, and may be missing a lot of context that could cause someone to be down on these stats - in brief, 4 years of hopium-fueled delusion about how Tesla could distort the physics of range as relates to the Ct


which brings me back to the quoted bits above from you:

i seem to remember you have a lot of BEV/Tesla miles under your belt, but zero BEV truck miles? (Though you toe with a Y?)


point being, you yourself don’t have perfect experience towards understanding how the Ct’s range will work. Specifically, people familiar with Tesla sedans shouldn’t be too quick to think that your experience to date will tell you everything you need to know about the CT.


And on that, I think the *generous* interpretations of many of the comments here is not:

“The CyberTruck range will alway and necessarily be as bad as the worst reports”

as your responses seem to imply

Instead, the *generous* interpretation is:

“under what conditions will the CT get something like the worst reports we’re getting - I’m shocked it can get that bad”



because if I were to paint your comments with the same ungenerous brush, I would allege that you also don’t have any relevant BEV truck experience, and are essentially implying “the CyberTruck range will never be as bad as the worst reports we’re seeing,” which would be an equally incorrect stance



But let’s level set here, and realize that - more than any Tesla sedan - the point is this: because it’s a truck on 35” tires, the CyberTruck will be subject to a FAR wider range of resulting data

specifically, you’re never going to get the EPA blended range of 301mi if doing hwy driving (we haven’t seen the EPA hwy range yet, but it’ll be lower than the blended)


and on the other end of the spectrum, because it’s a truck on 35” ATs, you can easily drive the CT in a manner and in conditions that could get you nearer to 1/3rd of the blended EPA

 

[jasper7821]

I didn’t read through all the pages, but Tesla’s stated range is based on city driving, not highway.
My M3 can get better than the stated 205 watts per mile. My city average is 185 watts per mile.
my highway average is 267 watts per mile at 80mph and 250 watts per mile at 75mph.

 

[JBee]

That intentional throttling would be something on Tesla's end though right, and when they are confident they would open up/release that charging speed and range efficiency through a software update I would assume?

Charging speed is something Tesla would control and throttle intentionally to avoid issues.

I can't see them intentionally interfering with range efficiency though, unless there was some code bug, like the coulomb counters where mis-configured.

I doubt it, seeing its fairly important overall for system control, but lots of moving parts and lots of stress getting the models out.

They had a bunch of mistakes and corrections on the website that have been changed, so itxs hard to tell sometimes. I do seriously hope engineering has their head on straight with SbW on-the-line as such.

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