Agree with you that the EPA #s leave much to be desired.
I don't see the tri-motor costing $120k.
Except highway speeds take a greater hit from aerodynamic drag which increases with the square of speed. Most EV long distance records are set around 35 mph for this reason, you can double your range at that speed.
That's not the Cyberbeast, that's the Foundation Series CyberBeast, aka tri-motor. The CyberBeast is the price I displayed.It sure does cost $120k plus! I am also very disappointed with the actual range numbers. I feel TESLA should either reduce the cost or include the Extended Range battery.
look, when someone says the Beast costs $120K, they and everyone else know exactly what they are saying
Certainly more than that initially, up to 8-12 kW depending on model, especially if the battery heater turns on, which could be for a large portion of a "city" trip. Then you park, car cools, down, repeat. Opposite effect at high temps, and at very high temps active pack cooling will kick in, but this is much rarer than heating in North America.
These test results are over a lot of miles, what I would not give to have that info for the CT right NOW!A lot of these issues would be more understandable and clear if TeslaFi or Stats were used. They do a great job monitoring energy usage over time and different speeds. Here is my printout on my 2018 M3P, which has a lifetime energy usage of 305 wH/mile, average efficiency of 78% and average speed of 40 mph.
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(PS: Sorry for the double post, also on the Positive Range Reports Thread)
I have been watching most all incoming information on this vehicle since I placed an order for two of them in 2019. Looks like there are about 200,000 ahead of me so I have time to see if Tesla makes improvements on charging time and range. It was very exciting to see the original specs of 350/500 miles and that is what prompted me to get in line. However, I am very disappointed in Tesla who after all this wait ...4+years they failed to deliver a true pickup truck. What they have delivered so far is a heavy duty SUV with poor range when pulling anything over 2000 pounds Period! Please do not call this a work truck because no contractor will be purchasing one for that purpose. It does not compete in the same category as a regular p/u truck! Most truck owners really don't care if it can go 0-60 in 2.6 sec if it cannot go the distance. Even as an SUV it fails if one wishes to haul a 5000 pound camper further than 100 miles. My vehicle of choice for the past four years has been a 1998 Chevy 2500 pickup (cost $5000 with plow 10 years ago) which is used to plow snow, haul construction materials and can be beat up and still keep going strong. Probably drive it 2000 miles annually so gas cost is not an issue. Extremely low insurance and excise tax! We also drive a honda clarity PHEV for most of our driving and supply power from our PV panels which power the entire house (heat and lights) here in Maine. So far since 2018, 40000 electric only miles and 10000 gas engine miles. Battery degradation 47 miles per charge down to 42 miles. In addition we haul our 3000 pound camper with a 2005 Jeep liberty CRD (diesel) and get 20 MPG when hauling at approx 2000 annually. The insurance and excise tax on all these vehicles are much cheaper than the one cyber truck! The repair and maintenance is easily done by any mechanic or myself. Unless the cyber truck range improves during the next 12 months I will probably be looking at a PHEV SUV like the Toyota Prime or similar vehicle, maybe even the new Ford Ranger PHEV if it gets decent Elec only range mode next year. I think Tesla should have gone the PHEV route on this elec only cybertruck. That would have made an "unbelievable vehicle"..... until the battery range on pure electric vehicles can be improved during the next decade. Can you imagine a cyber truck that has at least 50 miles on pure electricity (when not hauling) then an ice for longer distance? that would have been the best! Sorry Tesla but "so far" I don't like it as it has been a huge dissappointment. I sense most pickup truck owners have similar opinions at this time. I didn't even get into repairing fender benders ....sounds like a nightmare with the cyber truck construction?
The truck clearly needs 500+ EPA miles, perhaps 750 EPA with a range extender. That means an honest 300 miles for skiing/hiking trips in the winter (includes one short supercharging stop so you don't end up arriving with 0% when it's 15F outside), and 200-400 miles while towing.
The screen shot is so fake. Every other screen shot I saw of life time miles and energy usage compute correctly except for this. It is definitely a photoshop job to make CT look bad... Here is another example from another youtuber that has done over 2K miles...
Two owners that now have over 10,000 miles on their Cybertruck shared the good, the bad, and the ugly.
Info is not 100% comprehensive but very grateful to have it from one of the most driven CTs that was not a test vehicle.
AWD CT 9,944 miles on odometer on Jan 14th, broke 10,000 Jan 15th
Took ownership of truck with 72 miles on it
Tires
First 1,700 miles was with A/T tires and Aero Covers
Remaining 8,000+ miles have been with A/S tires and Aero covers (no noticeable wh/mile difference)
2 Drivers – One aggressive driver, one more conservative about 80/20 split for drive miles
Mix of about 70% highway 30% city
- 1 long road trip of 1,500+ miles
HVAC used liberally both in cold and warm climate. Cooled seats are great
Insurance - $465/mo for two drivers. Full coverage amount $90k and highest possible deductible.
No towing. Max payload of 2,000 ish lbs for a short 18 mile trip. Avg payload 300-400lbs
Mostly driven in warmer weather for this time of year minimum of about 30, max of about 73, avg of about 60
Mirrors – One driver really did not like digital rear view mirror low on the screen, other did not mind. Both drivers really enjoyed side cameras and would remove mirrors if they could.
Wiper – After about 3,000 miles of driving and some rain completely forget that it is a mega wiper, does fine
Charging
About 30% supercharging 10% destination charging and 60% home charging.
- Home charging with a Gen 3 Tesla wall connector takes about 8-14 hours most days at 32 or 48 amps
- Home charging is done to 90% for the most part to try to avoid having to supercharge at slow speeds but maintain good battery health
- Most destination charging very slow and primarily only counted on to maintain battery % and sentry mode
- Charging at V2 superchargers very slow and could take up to 2 hours
- Charging at V3 superchargers better but 70% charge takes over an hour
- No V4 chargers available to test
Range
With conservative in town driving got efficiency as good as 290 wh/mile, on highway over 900 was seen occasionally. Two sets of tires but mostly A/S, and a variety of driving conditions. Average lifetime 10,000mile wh/mile across both drivers in household was 599 giving the cybertruck a 100% battery used range of 206 miles or a 80% battery usage of 164 miles. Mostly fairly aggressive driving, no speeding tickets or accidents, but “not babying the truck”.
Likes:
Sound system
Handling
Cooled seats
Speed
Steer by Wire
Acceleration
Passenger Visibility
Frunk with dividers
Dislikes:
Charge Time
Road Noise
Range
Attention the truck gets, people touching, fingerprints are bad, and taking pictures
Vault is not waterproof, especially if raining while driving at high speeds it gets wet inside
Problems:
Main screen blacked out, went dead. Had to get towed to service center as battery % was low and at an unknown level. Service center had it in 90mins
Plastic trim piece on vault came off, mobile Tesla service tech fixed next day using same part
One flat tire (screw) had to be towed but tire was able to be patched, this was A/T tire and was going to be replaced anyway
One of the biggest mileage/range/distance/quality reports so far that I know of. Came from a private group and owner had privacy concerns due to employment but shared some info that was ok for us to share. The pics suck, they are from a facetime vid and taken/cropped with permission. They are planning on publishing a full HD video on this but have 20+ hours of raw footage to edit, I will post a link once they make it public.
Their Summary TLDR:
A dream to drive, disappointing charge speeds and range about 210/164 miles averaged over 10,000 miles, think the overall value is ok, still some production problems to work out, sound system is beyond great.
*Edit
Busy couple of days so missed a lot of questions/rage/thoughts.
Couple quick ones.
Insurance: $465/mo 2 drivers, AWD CT and 2021 Model 3, clean driving records minus a couple old tickets. High mileage drivers so that bumps rates, if fibbing about mileage would have been $390/mo but not a good idea. Previously had a Model 3 and Ford Raptor, insurance on those was $205 to the CT added significantly to insurance cost. Insurance in CA is also higher than the national average.
Range: 10,000+ miles, driven like a truck and not hypermiled, but not GTA, no tickets or accidents in that time frame, lot of comments about how 599 avg wh/mile could be achieved. Would just say that it is a good size range sample at 10k miles and if driving like described in some of these posts would be pretty likely to get a ticket after that many miles.
Road Noise: Pretty loud with both sets of tires, maybe a liiiiiiitle better with the A/S but not a significant difference. Not a deal breaker but not a quiet ride.
Sound system: is good enough to jam out and drown out road noise, but doing that your not going to hear anyone honking at you etc.
Vault: is semi dry storage at best, if you get a heavy downpour the stuff in the vault is going to be pretty wet. There are also seams in the vault bed that will pretty much make it a no-go for hauling dirt/gravel
Fingerprints: If you want the truck to look factory wrap it in clear PPF, or a color wrap. It looks really bad stock after even a couple times newbies open the door, or random people just touch it.
It looks like you joined the forum today, and this is your first post, so first off welcome.
Also in the screen shot from Jerry Rigged which is also incorrect.
