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10,000+ Miles Driving a Cybertruck – Things learned: range, great sound and full love/hate list after 10k miles

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All of the above tells me there is a critical failure warning light flashing at Tesla. I am a long-time Tesla shareholder, owner of three Teslas, huge advocate of the company and all around fan. (I recently and reluctantly cancelled the CT FS because the range would not meet my needs.) But I am calling it: something is deeply broken.

We now have enough data to definitively say that Tesla blew it on the Cybertruck range (not least this post which is consistent with previous data). There is no way - with all of the very public testing done by Tesla - that the engineering team did not know (long ago) that the real-world range would suck. They knew. And Tesla has an incredible engineering and manufacturing team so they could have fixed this. No question. So it seems to me that we can conclude:
1) Range sucks
2) Team knew long before release that range sucks
3) It is a big deal for customers
4) They could have fixed it but didn't

With these facts on the table (I think they are facts at this point) one has to ask why did Tesla get this so wrong? We have seen this before. It is a symptom of an organization where everyone is afraid to tell the emperor that he is not wearing clothes. It is a symptom of a company where bad news is hidden and bad data is reformulated until it fits a pre-ordained internal narrative. If that diagnosis is correct, Tesla is in serious trouble. For all of its accomplishments and incredibly talented staff, it will collapse in on itself unless this gets fixed. I hope it is a wake-up call to the board and the leadership. Warning light flashing IMO.
What do you want Tesla to do? Just cancel the truck? They invested billions into this and need this product. You can't overcome basic physics; batteries are heavy, truck are big and heavy. We knew 4680 cell sucks from model y. Did you really think there was going to be a miracle 500mi truck and 15min recharge? ?
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What do you want Tesla to do? Just cancel the truck? They invested billions into this and need this product. You can't overcome basic physics; batteries are heavy, truck are big and heavy. We knew 4680 cell sucks from model y. Did you really think there was going to be a miracle 500mi truck and 15min recharge? ?
Silly straw man argument. You do not need a miracle. I was expecting Tesla to be able to deliver a truck that was at least competitive with GM. It did not. I would have bought the vehicle if it was 80% of GM's real-world highway range (not even close) or towing range or charging speed but it is not close on any of those dimensions.

Tesla needs to go back and add 20 kwh of capacity and hold the price.

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Silly straw man argument. You do not need a miracle. I was expecting Tesla to be able to deliver a truck that was at least competitive with GM. It did not. I would have bought the vehicle if it was 80% of GM's real-world highway range (not even close) or towing range or charging speed but it is not close on any of those dimensions.

Tesla needs to go back and add 20 kwh of capacity and hold the price.

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How is my argument strawman? We all knew the 4680 cell sucked. Tesla always over promise and under deliver. Just look at all their other car range claim. You really think a model y can do 300+ mi unless you're hypermiling? The CT disappointment but I am not surprised. The writings were in the wall.
 

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You really think a model y can do 300+ mi unless you're hypermiling?
Yes. Yes it can. You just need to have a driving profile at or below the demand of an EPZ cycle, and not be afraid of going at or below 0%.

Why did you post? What's the point of trolling?

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Silly straw man argument. You do not need a miracle. I was expecting Tesla to be able to deliver a truck that was at least competitive with GM. It did not. I would have bought the vehicle if it was 80% of GM's real-world highway range (not even close) or towing range or charging speed but it is not close on any of those dimensions.

Tesla needs to go back and add 20 kwh of capacity and hold the price.

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I have to state a few things once you added a screenshot of the Chevy Silverado EV.

#1 - No Silverado EVs have been manufactured and delivered yet, so we don't really know the actual real-world range.

#2 - I went to Chevy's Silverado EV website and when it stated 400 miles range, there was a superscript which linked to small print.

Here is what the small print says in relation to the 400-mile range:
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Are you still confident that the Silverado will meet your range needs?
 


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I have to state a few things once you added a screenshot of the Chevy Silverado EV.

#1 - No Silverado EVs have been manufactured and delivered yet, so we don't really know the actual real-world range.

#2 - I went to Chevy's Silverado EV website and when it stated 400 miles range, there was a superscript which linked to small print.

Here is what the small print says in relation to the 400-mile range:
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Are you still confident that the Silverado will meet your range needs?
Some have, more than four hundred last year. We don't know the range mix of those, just that the few that have been handed out did have four hundred miles EPA.

But more importantly, they're not even being offered retail and we don't know the true specs of the trucks, let alone crazy tests like the Cybertruck is being subjected to.

Like, that one in sub-freezing weather pulling a Hummer up a hill on like one of the worst trailers possible! What the every-loving eff was that like the worst possible situation for towing; leadfoot, high load, un-aerodynamic, at maximum load.

Who's going to do that?

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Some have, more than four hundred last year. We don't know the range mix of those, just that the few that have been handed out did have four hundred miles EPA.
Thank you for the correction. I knew some were purchased in 2023, but didn't know they were delivered yet.
 

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Like, that one in sub-freezing weather pulling a Hummer up a hill on like one of the worst trailers possible! What the every-loving eff was that like the worst possible situation for towing; leadfoot, high load, un-aerodynamic, at maximum load.

Who's going to do that?
It's certainly an extreme use profile but it also happens all the time when towing equipment. Towing a truck on a flatbed trailer is not really some exotic use case.
 

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look, when someone says the Beast costs $120K, they and everyone else know exactly what they are saying

this semantic ‘gotcha’ you regurgitate constantly isn’t educating anyone

until Tesla gets around to delivering non-FS Beasts, it’s price is $120K before ttl

Which appears may be the case for nearly a year from now, at best



someone citing the price of the now-available unit, that happens to be LE, is no less correct than you citing the non-LE price of a unit that happens to be unavailable for the foreseeable future
What percentage of readers on this forum do you think will be able to order the Foundation Series. I suspect that it is a relatively low number.
When people post that the CyberBeast cost $120k, then people start believing it and especially those that are just reading a few threads.
So all I'm doing is making sure that the information in the forum is correct. Bad information spreads like wildfire.
 

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How is my argument strawman? We all knew the 4680 cell sucked. Tesla always over promise and under deliver. Just look at all their other car range claim. You really think a model y can do 300+ mi unless you're hypermiling? The CT disappointment but I am not surprised. The writings were in the wall.
It can do it easily.
 


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What percentage of readers on this forum do you think will be able to order the Foundation Series. I suspect that it is a relatively low number.
When people post that the CyberBeast cost $120k, then people start believing it and especially those that are just reading a few threads.
So all I'm doing is making sure that the information in the forum is correct. Bad information spreads like wildfire.
that’s a cute explanation

But rather than explaining that the FS Cyberbeast is $120K, but the non-FS Cyberbeast isn’t, you instead play this pithy semantics like you can’t even understand what a person is saying when they mention the Cyberbeast is $120K

I don't see the tri-motor costing $120k.
 

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I have to state a few things once you added a screenshot of the Chevy Silverado EV.

#1 - No Silverado EVs have been manufactured and delivered yet, so we don't really know the actual real-world range.

#2 - I went to Chevy's Silverado EV website and when it stated 400 miles range, there was a superscript which linked to small print.

Here is what the small print says in relation to the 400-mile range:
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Are you still confident that the Silverado will meet your range needs?
Yes, WT4 and WT3 are being delivered.

Testing: 232 miles towing 6500 lbs


Testing 514 miles range in mostly highway on WT4
 

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Pick your poison:

Silverado EV: Get more mileage towing your crap around you don't actually need, and drive a weird looking variation of a Chevy Avalanche, while actually not enjoying the vehicle itself. Because it looks like shit and probably is shitty in other ways

Cybertruck: Drive the f*cking future- a bad ass looking, high tech steer-by-wire, awesome handling, fun to drive truck you actually want, but has a lower towing range

I don't know about you but I could care less if the Silverturdo EV tows over a larger distance.
 

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Yes, WT4 and WT3 are being delivered.

Testing: 232 miles towing 6500 lbs


Testing 514 miles range in mostly highway on WT4
Wow, I must say that is pretty impressive range.
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