What will it typically cost to recharge a dual motor at a Tesla charging station?

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I am new to electric vehicles so the expense involved with owning one is a big deal to me. I spend quite a bit on gas with my current truck and average 15mpg. @ 2.50 per gal. After reading the previous comments it sounds like the cost of charging is est. a little less than half the cost. I must say I was expecting much better savings from driving an EV
Based on 12,000 mi/yr you would use 12,000/15 = 800 gallons of gas costing $2,000 @ 2.50/gal
In a Tesla Model X you would use 4,000 kWh costing $480 at the average rate of $0.12 kWh
In a CT you would use about 5,820 kWh costing about $698 at $0.12 per. If your rate is $0.30/kWh that goes up to $1748 which is withing striking distance of the petrol cost.

If one is contemplating the Rivian vehicles (as many here are) and can't charge at home he must be prepared to pay more for electricity than he did for gas in his ICE vehicle. Marketing based on gasoline savings is just that; marketing. You have to work the numbers. Saving on fuel bills is not, IMO, sufficient motivation for buying a BEV.
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Superchargers are on average .28 cents per Kwh. Using this times the KW being replenished should be pretty easy math. 60 KW would cost $16.80, 80KW $22.40 and so on..
 

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I am new to electric vehicles so the expense involved with owning one is a big deal to me. I spend quite a bit on gas with my current truck and average 15mpg. @ 2.50 per gal. After reading the previous comments it sounds like the cost of charging is est. a little less than half the cost. I must say I was expecting much better savings from driving an EV
Charging at home, especially if you have lower rates at night, is much cheaper. For instance, I have national grid for electricity. If you have an electric vehicle, you can get Special time of use rates. For me that’s roughly 0.03 per kWh at night. My bolt has a 60kwh battery, so it costs roughly $ 1.80 for 230ish miles of electricity.
 

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Let me just reiterate that for those of you who do not own a BEV and are wondering what operating one involves ABRP can be your best friend. You can try different vehicles (Tesla, Rivian), different battery pack sizes, different weather conditions, different loads, different charging philosophies etc and learn an awful lot.
I never heard of this app before. Thanks!
 

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This is pretty simple:

This is per-gallon for gas vs per mpg. So it's n cents per mile, right?
gas $
$2.00$3.00$4.00
mpg50$0.04$0.06$0.08
30$0.07$0.10$0.13
25$0.08$0.12$0.16
20$0.10$0.15$0.20

And here's electricity:
kWh $
$0.10$0.20$0.30
Wh/mi100$0.01$0.02$0.03
225$0.02$0.05$0.07
350$0.04$0.07$0.11
500$0.05$0.10$0.15

So electricity straight up wins for cheapness.

But! These numbers aren't apples to apples: The gasoline car also has oil and maintenance of about $300/3000 miles. The electric doesn't have engine filters and oil and coolant etc. They both have some maintenance, but it's not every 3000-5000 miles. That's a base 10¢ a mile more than the electric car.

So with per mile maintenance, the per mile cost is:
gas $
$2.00$3.00$4.00
mpg50$0.14$0.16$0.18
30$0.17$0.20$0.23
25$0.18$0.22$0.26
20$0.20$0.25$0.30

So multiply that by your miles in a year, and that's money saved that you can (and probably will) pay in battery. At least for the Cybertruck. But remember, you won't be wedded to a specific set of fossil fluids, you can run it inside a garage, etc.

Now, road-trip prices can be crazy. I've spent dollars on kWhs at a charger... But Tesla has comitted to only passing on what their electricity cost is. It won't be your home numbers, but it'll still not need engine maintenance!

-Crissa

100 Wh/mi == Zero Motorcycle
50 mpg == Motorcycle, Prius
225 Wh/mi == Model 3
30 mpg == Mid-size car
350 Wh/mi == Cybertruck
25 mpg == mid-size truck
500 Wh/mi == Cybertruck towing
20 mpg == full-size truck

$3.17 a gallon == my local price
$0.31 a kWh == my local price (solar/renewable mix at peak)
$2.11 a gallon == US average
$0.13 a kWh == US average
 
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Yes, good point. It is just like a gas vehicle as in pulling up to pump and saying to the attendant (in times and places where there are/were attendants) "Give me 5 gallons" or "give me $5 worth." That is, you take on as much charge as you want or need. The only difference is that you never say (or think as SC don't have attendants) "fill 'er up."
 
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Yeah, I didn't want to make gas look too bad. But that's why I put in 500Wh/mi. They estimate the Semi will consume 1kWh/mi, too.

I think we'll be pleasantly surprised except when pulling giant boxes.

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Worst case the CT will pull 500 wH/mi meaning a kWh will get you 2 miles. Worst case a kWh of electricity will cost you 50¢. Thus your worst case energy costs would be 25¢/mi. More likely consumption will be 400 Wh/mi (2.5 mi/kWh) and costs will, on average for home charging be more like 13¢/kWh for 5.2¢/mi. Home charging costs can be reduced if you have solar panels or a windmill... If one of those produces half your electric needs then costs go down to around 2.6¢/mi. Clearly you can get down to 0 if your renewable source is big enough.

Charging is free at many merchant/school/city/employer owned Destination Chargers.

At SuperChargers the rates are around 28¢/kWh for a per mile cost of 11.2¢/mi. Free charging at SC is available if you are the beneficiary of one of Tesla's model promotions or get chunks of free charging for referrals.
 

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Worst case is that I spent a more than a dollar per kWh last January topping off my bike. This can happen easily given peak time charges or per-visit minimums.

Heck, I got charged a buck last month and the EVSE didn't give me any watts. I had to go to the bank to get my buck back. What a pain! Luckily those sorts of fees are being phased out over the next five years. And they're the exception rather than the rule.

Peak electricity in say, San Diego, is over 60¢ a kWh. Ionity was charging 79¢ a kWh plus fees this year: https://electrek.co/2020/01/17/ioni...hicle-charging-prices-500-percent-january-31/. So just like watching out for that one gas station in the pass charging you twice the going rate... Well, it can happen.

Tesla tries to average out their prices, but they did add in peak hour charging now, so we'll have to watch for that. It's not the usual, though. For home charges and office-park fast chargers (which is a trickle for a Cybertruck but worth it if you're there for more than an hour, especially in inclement weather) many are free or very, very cheap.

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