Cybertruck will be the last Tesla to use stainless steel exoskeleton

[REM]

Occasionally though, he slips up and makes promises he can be held accountable for and cost a whole lot of real money, not just market cap.

What's the best example you have?

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[REM]

General Motors has a long string of bullish EV projections that they missed by 9 country miles. Not even in the ballpark. Yet when Tesla misses a projection by less than 1%, the media goes crazy.

I wonder why the media doesn't highlight all the GM EV predictions that turned out so far off it was like a bad joke?

It's because GM's CEO is a yes-man who lost his spine a long time ago for his seat at the table.

 

[HaulingAss]

It's because GM's CEO is a yes-man who lost his spine a long time ago for his seat at the table.

GMs CEO is Mary Barra, no? Are you disrespecting her pronouns? Bad doggie!

At least she has led the EV revolution and forced everyone to make compelling EVs....

Unless a "compelling EV" is an EV that you are compelled to park away from structures like your house and garage. ?

I wouldn't give her so much grief if she hadn't hyped GM to the moon by saying they were on track to overtake Tesla as the EV leader. That was a known false statement when she said it.

 

[Stuck4ger]

I don’t really care if Tesla never uses stainless again nor does Tesla’s decision not to use SS mean they felt it was a mistake to use it on the CT. What is appropriate for the badass-est of trucks is likely not appropriate for a self driving Smart Car nor a passenger van. Same with the Model X Falcon doors. They are amazingly useful for the luxury SUV but that doesn’t make them appropriate for a smaller lower price point lighter weight car. Elon has said the Falcon doors were perhaps over-engineered but that doesn’t make them a mistake.

 

[Deleted member 17810]

I can go around in public proclaiming that I'm not going buy a Airbus A340 for private use because I don't like the CEO. That doesn't mean the price dropping suddenly is the result of my action.

You mean this data? https://brandirectory.com/add-to-basket?id=152170&type=brand

You are absolutely right; I refuse to pay money to hear someone's opinion on Tesla's brand value.

They surfaced the relevant data in the article you haven't read.

 

[axhoaxho]

If that is true, might it make the Cybertruck a future collectible.

 

[Sjohnson20]

EV pickup trucks have been poor sellers overall so far. We can argue why that might be. High prices, truck buyer demographics, anti EV sentiment, political reasons, performance when towing, etc. It’s not like any EV truck has taken off.

Cybertruck I think has done alright so far considering what the competition has done. Seems like the manufacturers may have overestimated the demands for full size all electric pickups. At least for the time being.

 

[RoboTaxi]

A better headline would be “Cybertruck will be the ONLY Tesla to use stainless steel exoskeleton.

 

[REM]

They surfaced the relevant data in the article you haven't read.

They surfaced the relevant data in the article you haven't read.

You keep refusing to answer. Screen shot this data so we can all see it. The MSM blurb article you linked didn't have data, it had an opinion on data that is unavailable to the public (behind a paywall).

Stop delaying and post the info.

 

[REM]

A better headline would be:

"Cybertruck may be the only Tesla to use stainless steel exoskeleton"

Fixed that for you lol

 

[dalton108]

Time to face facts folks! It’s not going well. It’s unlikely to get better. You shouldn’t have to beg people to buy this. Forbes + Morgan Stanley do ≠ “torquenews.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brooke...d-fall-as-tesla-deals-with-demand-challenges/

“Elon is a genius” is not a rebuttal to what’s readily apparent. Outside of the DeLorean, I think the best comp will eventually be the Edsel.

ChatGPT “research” to refresh my memory. ??

Despite significant hype and a massive marketing campaign, the Edsel flopped:

1. Design Issues – The vertical “horse-collar” grille was polarizing, and the styling failed to resonate with consumers.

[, but add politics!]

2. Poor Market Timing – It launched during an economic downturn when mid-priced cars were declining in popularity.

[Segment decline? ; Economy? Boy-Howdy!]

3. Quality Control Problems – Early models had mechanical and assembly defects, partly due to being built across different Ford factories with inconsistent standards.

[One factory but, ]

4. Overhyped and Mismanaged Rollout – Ford invested heavily in marketing, but the product did not live up to expectations.

[Minus the marketing? ]

5. Wrong Branding Strategy – The Edsel name (after Henry Ford’s son) had no established reputation, making it difficult to gain consumer trust.

[Arguable reputational factors, but including FUD and social media reception (even ignoring the salute) I say - net negative. ]

The Edsel lasted only three model years (1958-1960) before Ford killed the brand, making it one of the most infamous failures in automotive history.

Sound familiar? I’m just the kind of guy who probably would have bought one. I’m fairly certain I have basically bought one now. I think Leno has an Edsel and loves it (*Nope according to Chat, that was Martha Stewart’s on the show). I’m always gonna love my CB. But in 3 years, I think we’ll be in similar territory.

It’s already infamous - so, halfway there. I’ll never see it as a “failure” though.

 

[dalton108]

Fixed that for you.

I thought something similar, but as I understand it, even your formulation is wrong.

S/B: Cybertruck may be the ONLY Tesla to use stainless steel.

‘Cause it’s not really an exoskeleton as promised. That’s per Munro and others.

 

[RVAC]

During the 2019 Cybertruck reveal, Tesla announced a 14,000 lb. tow rating. When they released the Cybertruck with an 11,000 lb. tow rating, Ford quickly dropped the heavy-duty tow packages. I think it was pretty obvious that the whole purpose of the 14,000 lb. tow rating was so Ford could still say they had the "highest towing and payload capacities" in the 1/2-ton segment.

It's actually the other way around, Ford's packages predate the Cybertruck's unveil in 2019, it's Tesla that modeled their initial figures to meet or exceed the F-150's max figures.

 

[GuyV]

What's the best example you have?

Of what? Which part of what's been going on haven't you been paying attention to?

 

[GuyV]

EV pickup trucks have been poor sellers overall so far. We can argue why that might be. High prices, truck buyer demographics, anti EV sentiment, political reasons, performance when towing, etc. It’s not like any EV truck has taken off.

Cybertruck I think has done alright so far considering what the competition has done. Seems like the manufacturers may have overestimated the demands for full size all electric pickups. At least for the time being.

What legacy manufacturers reacted to was the threat of EV trucks to their ICE bread and butter. Tesla had already showed them EVs were a real threat. Rivian is an EV startup that chose to target the truck market, probably as a way to get traction without early direct confrontation with Tesla. I'm sure Cybertruck delays were fortuitous for all of them. Like all other ICE vehicle segments, EVs will conquer eventually.

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