Stop cutting off Trucks on fsd!

[Aerospace2061]

"Hurry" mode seems to be a lot more of "Dick" mode: it doesn't go much faster but is a lot more likely to cut people off, especially in the left lane. The amount of times I've felt shame because my FSD cuts someone off in the left lane only to cruise at the same speed (well below the "max" I gave it) is too damn high.

I really would love a "stay in your lane" feature.

Stay in lane mode would be great. My CT keeps wanting to get out the HOV lane when there’s an opening even in Chill but it’s better to stay in over the long term. People behind me probably wonder what I’m doing when I correct back to the HOV lane. Aways a jerky move and cancelling blinkers.

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[hemiarch]

We had that in our x for a little while. A minimize lane changes for this drive toggle. I think it went away with one of the updates maybe?
I do agree the modes should be renamed but I’d go with grandma….stoner….and dick

I really do think this existed and was removed for some reason

 

[mongo]

I really do think this existed and was removed for some reason

It did, but might not have worked with the end to end NN version of software.

 

[HaulingAss]

But it’s still cutting off a semi on your behalf. Lol

It's not "cutting off" the semi. I think you don't know what that phrase means.

It may or may not make the truck driver feel uneasy, I'm sure the smarter drivers figure, "It's a Tesla, going faster than me, he has clear road ahead, probably on FSD, very unlikely to slow down.". By the time he thinks that the Tesla will have widened the gap significantly.

Keep in mind, with cameras looking all directions simultaneously, cameras than never blink or get distracted, FSD protects against rear collisions with just as much awareness as frontal collisions.

 

[hemiarch]

It's not "cutting off" the semi. I think you don't know what that phrase means.

It may or may not make the truck driver feel uneasy, I'm sure the smarter drivers figure, "It's a Tesla, going faster than me, he has clear road ahead, probably on FSD, very unlikely to slow down.". By the time he thinks that the Tesla will have widened the gap significantly.

Keep in mind, with cameras looking all directions simultaneously, cameras than never blink or get distracted, FSD protects against rear collisions with just as much awareness as frontal collisions.

When you make a decision to insert the car into a spot that’s inside of the minimum braking distance of large heavy truck even transiently, you are making a safety decision and you are in fact “cutting off” the semi. In my opinion.
Sometimes that’s safe and sometimes that’s not and the decision is multiparametic. How far to the exit or when either vehicle is expected to have to change traffic pattern? What are the road conditions? Is there space on either side and or ahead to escape from the minimum braking distance box etc? Is there space behind the truck for them to slam the brakes etc. even down to the level of, “that driver looks half asleep” or has been driving erratically the last several miles.
FSD takes liberties with these decisions that don’t seem like they are based on sophisticated enough logic and I would rather be able to keep that to a minimum. I thought that was a good feature.
That’s how I understand “cutting off” but that may not match your understanding and I’m not even sure if that toggle would have prevented many of these cases so take what I have to say with a grain of salt.

 

[Veganic]

Stay in lane mode would be great. My CT keeps wanting to get out the HOV lane when there’s an opening even in Chill but it’s better to stay in over the long term. People behind me probably wonder what I’m doing when I correct back to the HOV lane. Aways a jerky move and cancelling blinkers.

How about going into the HOV lane? there has to b a setting for it to not use HOV lanes. Mine moved into the fast pass lane and I corrected as soon as I could and still got a fine.

 

[hemiarch]

How about going into the HOV lane? there has to b a setting for it to not use HOV lanes. Mine moved into the fast pass lane and I corrected as soon as I could and still got a fine.

Agree. There needs to be an option to limit or favor hov use. Especially with laws changing rapidly everywhere regarding EV’s and how they can use HOV

 

[Aerospace2061]

How about going into the HOV lane? there has to b a setting for it to not use HOV lanes. Mine moved into the fast pass lane and I corrected as soon as I could and still got a fine.

Turning off the “Use HOV Lanes” toggle under the “Navigation” menu may help…

How about going into the HOV lane? there has to b a setting for it to not use HOV lanes. Mine moved into the fast pass lane and I corrected as soon as I could and still got a fine.

 

[Veganic]

Turning off the “Use HOV Lanes” toggle under the “Navigation” menu may help…

yes, I always have that off. that’s why I don’t understand how we can keep it from moving to the HOV or FastPass lanes

 

[TyPope]

Okay... I'll throw this in here. Sometimes, my CT wants to change into the other lane... even if there's no traffic... or, it moves to the right lane within a mile of me having to turn left on the busy highway even if no one is around.

Sometimes, when it's trying to change lanes, I can hit the turn signal in the direction it's trying to go and it cancels out. Great. But wait, there's more. My CT will just try again. So, I cancel it again. Then, it tries again. I cancel FSD completely and just drive.

My proposal - Once the driver cancels THIS lane change event, do NOT immediately go back into lane change mode without some underlying reason (e.g. going to miss your turn)

 

[Veganic]

Okay... I'll throw this in here. Sometimes, my CT wants to change into the other lane... even if there's no traffic... or, it moves to the right lane within a mile of me having to turn left on the busy highway even if no one is around.

Sometimes, when it's trying to change lanes, I can hit the turn signal in the direction it's trying to go and it cancels out. Great. But wait, there's more. My CT will just try again. So, I cancel it again. Then, it tries again. I cancel FSD completely and just drive.

My proposal - Once the driver cancels THIS lane change event, do NOT immediately go back into lane change mode without some underlying reason (e.g. going to miss your turn)

Yes I get frustrated at certain places where it consistently gets in the wrong lane and then has to move right back.

 

[TyPope]

Yes I get frustrated at certain places where it consistently gets in the wrong lane and then has to move right back.

Now, I just cancel, report "Don't keep trying to change lanes here, I have to turn left in half a mile", and then re-enable FSD.
But, yeah, fix it already.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

When you make a decision to insert the car into a spot that’s inside of the minimum braking distance of large heavy truck even transiently, you are making a safety decision and you are in fact “cutting off” the semi. In my opinion.
Sometimes that’s safe and sometimes that’s not and the decision is multiparametic. How far to the exit or when either vehicle is expected to have to change traffic pattern? What are the road conditions? Is there space on either side and or ahead to escape from the minimum braking distance box etc? Is there space behind the truck for them to slam the brakes etc. even down to the level of, “that driver looks half asleep” or has been driving erratically the last several miles.
FSD takes liberties with these decisions that don’t seem like they are based on sophisticated enough logic and I would rather be able to keep that to a minimum. I thought that was a good feature.
That’s how I understand “cutting off” but that may not match your understanding and I’m not even sure if that toggle would have prevented many of these cases so take what I have to say with a grain of salt.

Sorry, but cutting someone off on the road requires one of two things to be true: (1) your action requires the other driver being cut off to apply their brakes in order to not strike you, or (2) they are moving faster than you, so must decelerate in order to not hit you. Neither applies in OP’s situation, where the CT is at least a bit faster than the vehicle it is passing.

What we are really talking about is the space it allows in front of a vehicle before pulling into its lane. That may be too close for comfort, but it isn’t “cutting off”, which requires the other driver to take some action - put another way, cutting off is exactly what it says - you are moving into a space that the other vehicle would otherwise have occupied given the chance to do so. It seems like semantics, but it really isn’t in this case.

 

[SSonnentag]

Now you get dinged if you keep your foot on the accelerator while in FSD. I don't understand that at all. If FSD refuses to maintain a set speed, or I need to accelerate around someone, FSD should not punish me. Afterall, it is SUPERVISED FSD. It should allow me to override and supervise without being harassed.

 

[scottyah]

Sorry, but cutting someone off on the road requires one of two things to be true: (1) your action requires the other driver being cut off to apply their brakes in order to not strike you, or (2) they are moving faster than you, so must decelerate in order to not hit you. Neither applies in OP’s situation, where the CT is at least a bit faster than the vehicle it is passing.

What we are really talking about is the space it allows in front of a vehicle before pulling into its lane. That may be too close for comfort, but it isn’t “cutting off”, which requires the other driver to take some action - put another way, cutting off is exactly what it says - you are moving into a space that the other vehicle would otherwise have occupied given the chance to do so. It seems like semantics, but it really isn’t in this case.

You are legally required to be a minimum of "stopping distance" from the car in front of you. Loaded semi's aren't know for that:

A loaded semi-truck traveling at 65 mph in good conditions requires approximately 525 feet or 5-6 seconds to come to a complete stop. This is about the length of 1.5 football fields.​

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