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FSD 14 will finally bring CT up to par with the rest of the Tesla fleet. It will provide:

- Start from Park
- Shift to Reverse
- Auto Park (pull in forward parking)
- Improved vehicle controller
- Summon and Smart Summon

A more complete description of each can be found here:

https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/3...erhaul-with-v14-catch-up-with-the-tesla-fleet

I'm very excited to see this coming but I suspect it will be at least a month or more - but hopefully by the end of this year...
1. Exactly!

2. I’ll be happy if we get it by Christmas.
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Employees now - cool
CT owners - maybe mid 2026
But will 14 be significantly better than 13 - sure hope so will all the hype and FSD promises turning a decade old
I enjoy and use FSD for all my drives but looking forward to sleeping in my Cybertruck during a drive.
 

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I don't know how 14 could be significantly better than anything prior. FSD is great.

Thats like saying that someone could be significantly better than Michael Jordan. How could that be possible?
We have FSD in the ‘25 AWD CT and a ‘26 MY Juniper. FSD is night and day better in the MY.
 

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We have FSD in the ‘25 AWD CT and a ‘26 MY Juniper. FSD is night and day better in the MY.
I love FSD on my CT and use it for 95+% of my driving. But I had a loaner M3 with the same version of FSD, and completely agree about the difference in smoothness. The CT feels like a linebacker trying to board an airplane. "'Scuse me, pardon me, 'scuse me... coming through... 'scuse me... look out... heads up! ... 'scuse me..."

In my town, I have a number of roundabouts. Some are pretty small radius. You can tell the controller isn't perfectly calibrated because half way around it often just drives over the inner edge of the roundabout. To be fair, they are tight, and vehicles like buses and garbage trucks do the same. I think, in the CT, there's an ongoing battle of wills between the cameras and the controller.

In any case, I'm very much looking forward to my CT chauffeur getting an upgrade.
 


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I love FSD on my CT and use it for 95+% of my driving. But I had a loaner M3 with the same version of FSD, and completely agree about the difference in smoothness. The CT feels like a linebacker trying to board an airplane. "'Scuse me, pardon me, 'scuse me... coming through... 'scuse me... look out... heads up! ... 'scuse me..."

In my town, I have a number of roundabouts. Some are pretty small radius. You can tell the controller isn't perfectly calibrated because half way around it often just drives over the inner edge of the roundabout. To be fair, they are tight, and vehicles like buses and garbage trucks do the same. I think, in the CT, there's an ongoing battle of wills between the cameras and the controller.

In any case, I'm very much looking forward to my CT chauffeur getting an upgrade.
Mine regularly hits curbs, often hugs the left line, is terrible at lane selection, and has a habit of turning into oncoming traffic. The smoothness is less of a concern to me, but is real. Every time I drive my wife’s MY I am reminded of how superior it is when it offers to drive from the parking spot.
 

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Mine regularly hits curbs, often hugs the left line, is terrible at lane selection, and has a habit of turning into oncoming traffic. The smoothness is less of a concern to me, but is real. Every time I drive my wife’s MY I am reminded of how superior it is when it offers to drive from the parking spot.
Interesting. Mine never hits curbs (well, ok, the roundabouts), rarely hugs the left line (the few times it has, I apply very gentle correction pressure to the wheel and it moves back to the center), and hasn't turned into oncoming traffic in a long time. A previous version of FSD (13.2.7?) used to occasionally turn left into the wrong lane. Some of that is, I think, mapping which can get updated outside of FSD releases.

But the difference in CT behaviors is interesting. We know there can be camera issues (e.g. the folks who get nagged more often may have foggier/out of focus interior cameras). Hopefully Tesla is looking in to why some trucks behave differently than others.
 

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Laser beams from headlights or GTFOH.

Would be nice compliment to ejector seats.
 

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Interesting. Mine never hits curbs (well, ok, the roundabouts), rarely hugs the left line (the few times it has, I apply very gentle correction pressure to the wheel and it moves back to the center), and hasn't turned into oncoming traffic in a long time. A previous version of FSD (13.2.7?) used to occasionally turn left into the wrong lane. Some of that is, I think, mapping which can get updated outside of FSD releases.

But the difference in CT behaviors is interesting. We know there can be camera issues (e.g. the folks who get nagged more often may have foggier/out of focus interior cameras). Hopefully Tesla is looking in to why some trucks behave differently than others.
It “hits” curbs in my case when making left hand turns and there’s a median. It will also misjudge the available roadway and run the rear wheel into the ditch on turns, in either direction. I have the same issue with roundabouts - we have two leaving our neighborhood, and it sometimes, but not always, takes the turn too tight, edging onto the center roll-over curbing.

FSD is never really going to be a thing IMO. I was reminded of this the other day when leaving a seven-story garage at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore. How will it EVER handle the complexities of ramps and complicated direction signage? Getting a ticket and making payment? Needing to circle the block eight times to reach the exit? That fact that there is no GPS inside the building? I have been impressed with how it handles some edge cases, like train crossings, draw bridges, long lines of bicycles on single lane roads, but there are just so many issues… obeying a police officer’s hand signals? I tell people that I’m not worried about my kids taking away the keys because self-driving will make that event irrelevant, but I’m losing confidence in that prediction.
 
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FSD is never really going to be a thing IMO. I was reminded of this the other day when leaving a seven-story garage at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore. How will it EVER handle the complexities of ramps and complicated direction signage? Getting a ticket and making payment? Needing to circle the block eight times to reach the exit? That fact that there is no GPS inside the building? I have been impressed with how it handles some edge cases, like train crossings, draw bridges, long lines of bicycles on single lane roads, but there are just so many issues… obeying a police officer’s hand signals? I tell people that I’m not worried about my kids taking away the keys because self-driving will make that event irrelevant, but I’m losing confidence in that prediction.
It's already a thing. It's not perfect, and may never be perfect. It doesn't need to be, it just has to be better than any human, and eventually it will be.

It's also not dependent on GPS to navigate a parking deck. And the tech is capable of seeing and interpreting signs and hand signals, even if the software isn't fully baked yet.

Processors get faster, memory gets bigger, cameras get better, models get more complex and more capable. It's not really a matter of if at this point, it's when.

When will it surpass humans and reasonably handle any edge case? AI5? AI6? I don't know, but I'm confident from the trajectory we're on that it will.

In the mean time, HW3 is still very capable despite being stuck on V12, and HW/AI4 is literally running Robotaxi today.
 


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It “hits” curbs in my case when making left hand turns and there’s a median. It will also misjudge the available roadway and run the rear wheel into the ditch on turns, in either direction. I have the same issue with roundabouts - we have two leaving our neighborhood, and it sometimes, but not always, takes the turn too tight, edging onto the center roll-over curbing.

FSD is never really going to be a thing IMO. I was reminded of this the other day when leaving a seven-story garage at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore. How will it EVER handle the complexities of ramps and complicated direction signage? Getting a ticket and making payment? Needing to circle the block eight times to reach the exit? That fact that there is no GPS inside the building? I have been impressed with how it handles some edge cases, like train crossings, draw bridges, long lines of bicycles on single lane roads, but there are just so many issues… obeying a police officer’s hand signals? I tell people that I’m not worried about my kids taking away the keys because self-driving will make that event irrelevant, but I’m losing confidence in that prediction.
...few more hardware iterations and many more software releases and it could be there. I'd say maybe in 10 years. Even then won't deal with all real world surprises, even many humans can't hehe.
 

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I don't know how 14 could be significantly better than anything prior. FSD is great.

Thats like saying that someone could be significantly better than Michael Jordan. How could that be possible?
I use it daily and love it but it is far from perfect. Crossing over the double yellow on a left turn for one is a big deficiency I'd like fixed. I have to assume that the robotaxi fleet is running something beyond 14.
 

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We have FSD in the ‘25 AWD CT and a ‘26 MY Juniper. FSD is night and day better in the MY.
Exactly, people who are saying the CT FSD is good have not sat in a M3 or MY with FSD recently
 

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I use it daily and love it but it is far from perfect. Crossing over the double yellow on a left turn for one is a big deficiency I'd like fixed. I have to assume that the robotaxi fleet is running something beyond 14.
Robo taxies not having Tesla employees in them at scale will signal to us that FSD is finally about to live up to the promise, looking forward to it.
 

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Mine regularly hits curbs, often hugs the left line, is terrible at lane selection, and has a habit of turning into oncoming traffic. The smoothness is less of a concern to me, but is real. Every time I drive my wife’s MY I am reminded of how superior it is when it offers to drive from the parking spot.
Mine hugs the left lane on highways, drives awfully close to parked cars where it feels like I’m inches away from sideswiping them 😓, tailgates on local and highways (around 1 second follow distance) and hesitates starting off at every stop sign.
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