What does "Full Self-Driving Capability" mean in the order?

[shahfarh]

I thought foundation series comes with FSD (i.e. already paid for as part of $20K)? is that right or i have to pay additional to get FSD?

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[mark555055c]

That is correct, it is included and will be enabled in a software update in the near future. There is no added cost for FSD for FS owners.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

@mark555055c is correct.

 

[Gurule92]

It's in there. I think we have a few posts on this

 

[Outdoors]

As I mentioned someplace else. All Tesla cars made today have the capability for FSD. I wish Tesla would do away with the terminology of capability.

Should be. Has FSD, or no FSD. Pretty simple right?

Sure, but Tesla will take a car that had FSD purchased, and at trade in remove it, and resell it to a new buyer with no FSD. Or it can be added at full price again. Leading to capability meaning something else.

Just so stupid, and confusing.

@mongo

 

[TwiztOG43]

As I mentioned someplace else. All Tesla cars made today have the capability for FSD. I wish Tesla would do away with the terminology of capability.

Should be. Has FSD, or no FSD. Pretty simple right?

Sure, but Tesla will take a car that had FSD purchased, and at trade in remove it, and resell it to a new buyer with no FSD. Or it can be added at full price again. Leading to capability meaning something else.

Just so stupid, and confusing.

@mongo

Wording is on purpose since FSD is still technically a beta. We don’t know what kind of hardware will be required once (if) FSD reaches level 5 autonomy. Right now FSD is level 2.

Just look at older models sold with “FSD capability” which did not have hardware 3.0. Tesla had them pay for that hardware even though at the time of purchase it was FSD Capable and also state that FSD is a “beta”.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

As I mentioned someplace else. All Tesla cars made today have the capability for FSD. I wish Tesla would do away with the terminology of capability.

Should be. Has FSD, or no FSD. Pretty simple right?

Sure, but Tesla will take a car that had FSD purchased, and at trade in remove it, and resell it to a new buyer with no FSD. Or it can be added at full price again. Leading to capability meaning something else.

Just so stupid, and confusing.

@mongo

No, it isn’t. One can have the capability and not have the software installed or enabled. FS Cybertruck’s have the first but not the second or third. Yes, the language could be improved.

 

[Stuck4ger]

No, it isn’t. … Yes, the language could be improved.

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[Woodrick]

As I mentioned someplace else. All Tesla cars made today have the capability for FSD. I wish Tesla would do away with the terminology of capability.

Should be. Has FSD, or no FSD. Pretty simple right?

Sure, but Tesla will take a car that had FSD purchased, and at trade in remove it, and resell it to a new buyer with no FSD. Or it can be added at full price again. Leading to capability meaning something else.

Just so stupid, and confusing.

@mongo

But there are many cars out there without the capability. Lot's of Model 3s, Model Xs and Model Ss out there without the capability. And they run the same software stack.

 

[Outdoors]

But there are many cars out there without the capability. Lot's of Model 3s, Model Xs and Model Ss out there without the capability. And they run the same software stack.

Maybe read a bit. I said all cars and trucks made today. Why the F does anyone care about a software stack? Let alone someone that didn't give a shit about a stack nor asked a question about a software stack.

No, it isn’t. One can have the capability and not have the software installed or enabled. FS Cybertruck’s have the first but not the second or third. Yes, the language could be improved.

No, it isn't?

software installed is a step, but really? If that is on purpose those people should be fired.

Why you ask? Maybe this is the 15th thread on asking if the truck comes with FSD.

By your definition you would say no. Which confuses the purchaser.

It should be yes it comes with FSD and will be enabled in the future. Just like it says on the app when you purchase, and just like it says in the truck. Will be at a future time. So actually it is downloaded or the tab wouldn't be there.

So Tesla makes it clear about three times during the purchasing process. I think the folks here just like to ask questions to be answered about the excitement of ordering and instant hysteria.

 

[Greyfish]

I think the definition of 'FSD Capability' changed recently. Apparently Tesla is being sued over FSD claims in the past so they changed the definition and now all vehicles that have FSD are 'FSD Capable'.

 

[Crissa]

As I mentioned someplace else. All Tesla cars made today have the capability for FSD. I wish Tesla would do away with the terminology of capability.

Should be. Has FSD, or no FSD. Pretty simple right?

Sure, but Tesla will take a car that had FSD purchased, and at trade in remove it, and resell it to a new buyer with no FSD. Or it can be added at full price again. Leading to capability meaning something else.

Just so stupid, and confusing.

This is old and just not relevant. And not confusing.

If you buy a car from an owner, and that car has purchased FSD, it has FSD when you register it with Tesla. If they have rented FSD, it will not have FSD when you register it with Tesla.

It's irrelevant to you if a car had FSD in the past when you're buying it from Tesla. They list what features are enabled in the used vehicle, and third-party sources could be incorrect on the status of those features.

-Crissa

And yes, they used to sell that cars were 'capable, with future purchase' but they don't advertise that now - since all Teslas contain the hardware.

 

[Outdoors]

This is old and just not relevant. And not confusing.

If you buy a car from an owner, and that car has purchased FSD, it has FSD when you register it with Tesla. If they have rented FSD, it will not have FSD when you register it with Tesla.

It's irrelevant to you if a car had FSD in the past when you're buying it from Tesla. They list what features are enabled in the used vehicle, and third-party sources could be incorrect on the status of those features.

-Crissa

Then why are there 15 threads on this? Why do new people that aren't Tesla people talking about software stacks asking questions?

-Outdoors

Your response to a new Tesla owner is laughable and really dumb.

For a new Tesla it either has FSD or it doesn't. The introduction of the word capable is for the old cars.

Please go back to the OP's question. Answer it in one sentence. Not a bunch of lingo.

 

[Crissa]

Just look at older models sold with “FSD capability” which did not have hardware 3.0. Tesla had them pay for that hardware even though at the time of purchase it was FSD Capable and also state that FSD is a “beta”.

This is also not true. They're on the hook for upgrading any hardware that doesn't run the software.

-Crissa

 

[Crissa]

Then why are there 15 threads on this? Why do new people that aren't Tesla people talking about software stacks asking questions?

Well, because people give the wrong answers.

-Crissa

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