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[Crissa]

Have you ever driven either truck?

There was a poster here that did a breakdown that the front of the truck to the driver is the same in both with measurements.

The sail rises up. This isn't "trust me bro", it's really obvious. Why do you have some impression that the CT is just as easy to access the bed from the back or sides than other trucks? I don't think anyone that didn't have a lifted truck would say that or has said that. Same for visibility.

Literally you're doing what called 'trust me, bro,' with that 'it's obvious!'

The Cybertruck both is shorter to the cabin floor and has a deeper bed than the Lightning. It also lowers itself for entry.

So no, once you think about it for more than a 'trust me, bro,' it's not obvious.

I’m going to
Chop this one up to your “nonsensical “ sense of humor

It's a feature that Tesla has demonstrated, and the self-leveling can do it. That it's not currently available is surprising, honestly. Doesn't the tow mode raise and lower it?

-Crissa

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[SCTesla]

Literally you're doing what called 'trust me, bro,' with that 'it's obvious!'

The Cybertruck both is shorter to the cabin floor and has a deeper bed than the Lightning. It also lowers itself for entry.

So no, once you think about it for more than a 'trust me, bro,' it's not obvious.

-Crissa

Think about what you are saying. You said it has a deeper bed and you know there are sails. I am 6'3" and can't reach into the bed. Do you need a picture of that? Just google videos of F150 and you'll see people reach into the bed...not all the way to the middle, but the sides. Also they use the step to get in the back. The CT you either have to put your knee up or sit on it and turn. The lowest settings isn't low enough for someone 6'3 to climb into.

I half think you are just joking here.

 

[Crissa]

Think about what you are saying. You said it has a deeper bed and you know there are sails. I am 6'3" and can't reach into the bed. Do you need a picture of that? Just google videos of F150 and you'll see people reach into the bed...not all the way to the middle, but the sides. Also they use the step to get in the back. The CT you either have to put your knee up or sit on it and turn. The lowest settings isn't low enough for someone 6'3 to climb into.

I half think you are just joking here.

Yes, yes I do need a photo, because I haven't seen video of the same person except one pointing out they couldn't reach the bottom of the Cybertruck's bed, because also they barely could reach over the F150 rail at all, having to get a boost to do so.

-Crissa

 

[SCTesla]

It's a feature that Tesla has demonstrated, and the self-leveling can do it. That it's not currently available is surprising, honestly. Doesn't the tow mode raise and lower it?

-Crissa

Why would tow mode raise or lower it? It doesn't. You have suspension modes, Entry, Medium, and High in the main interface. You can also set your left thumb wheel to control these. In the off-road mode you get access to 3 additional higher modes. That's it.

"Tow mode"/called trailer mode doesn't make any adjustments to the suspension. Tesla recommends putting it low before towing manually. Trailer mode won't make adjustments to your selected suspension based on speed/location, but you are limited to medium or low. It doesn't adjust for you.

 

[SCTesla]

Yes, yes I do need a photo, because I haven't seen video of the same person except one pointing out they couldn't reach the bottom of the Cybertruck's bed, because also they barely could reach over the F150 rail at all, having to get a boost to do so.

-Crissa

I'll take a photo of me reaching over the sail in my CT for you, sure.

 

[VAF84]

Both are trucks, but sorry, I don't think the F150 Lightning is all that great. I think the ICE powered F150 is better than the EV model, but there are other EV trucks out there (like the ones from Rivian) that are also better than the F150 (either type) - In MY Opinion that is... I have not owned the EV model (have had an F150 in the past) and I have seen and driven the Lightning and didn't think it was all THAT great (IMO).

I don't actually HATE any of them though, not like people seem to hate on the CT... I guess that's the difference... some people are 'haters' and the rest are not...

As someone who just went from 23 Lariat Extended Range to 2024 Hybrid King Ranch; I disagree. Apparently the EV had some cool additional features, in addition to a much better and quieter ride. Were it not for a lack of range, I would never go back to an ICE F150. In fact, I've only had the new F150 for three weeks and I'm already shopping to replace it with an EV truck that offers more range. The LER did a lot well, but missed on a deal breaker issue for me. Seriously, if Ford would add range I'd be happy to go back. For now it's either CT with extender or Silverado EV.

 

[Crissa]

Why would tow mode raise or lower it? It doesn't. You have suspension modes, Entry, Medium, and High in the main interface.

Because when you lower the suspension, the tailgate is also lower.

I'm surprised after all your posts you didn't make that connection. Additionally, lifting the front 8" and lowering the back would lower the tailgate up to several inches, which is why a squatting or kneeling truck is cool.

-Crissa

 

[SCTesla]

Because when you lower the suspension, the tailgate is also lower.

I'm surprised after all your posts you didn't make that connection. Additionally, lifting the front 8" and lowering the back would lower the tailgate up to several inches, which is why a squatting or kneeling truck is cool.

-Crissa

The CT cannot squat or kneel. Someone did it from service mode, but it's been said it's bad for the truck and not recommended. By default it cannot do either.

Entry mode is the lowest mode possible without going into service and draining the air pumps.

The CT being too tall to get in the bed and reach over the sail is based in entry mode, which is the default mode when parked and again, the lowest mode available to users.

Trailer mode or as you called it tow mode doesn't change the suspension height.

Odd that you are being condescending when you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Balthezor]

That's fair. To me, it never lost that appeal. Had two cool vehicles over that time to hold me over. One of the first Broncos and one of the first 2023 updated Range Rover. Still bought the Cyberbeast. Sold the hold over vehicles.

 

[OldDirtyRobot]

This thread has been the siren call for all those who are still butt hurt about the pricing.

 

[HaulingAss]

I sold my Lightning to buy my CT, and I've regretted it quite a bit since. Mainly because I wish I sold my Model 3 and kept the Lightning + Cybertruck. The Lightning was more comfortable on longer trips and had more storage. Having all my luggage get wet in the bed of my CT versus the massive frunk of the Lightning was a bummer on a recent trip.

I'd say it's 60-40, the CT does more right than the Lightning. But the Lightning is 60% the price, so until the CT goes down another $20k, I think both have a purpose. Especially for work, I really miss reaching over the side of my truck bed, CT makes that impossible. It's a bit of an irony, but the CT has replaced a car well, not so much a work truck. Steer by wire makes driving the CT in tight downtown areas easier than my Lightning ever was, and the air suspension let's me fit in my work garage that was too small for my Lightning.

I'm waiting to see if Tesla brings steer by wire to any other models. If it isn't at least announced by the end of next year, my M3P will likely be traded for a Lightning again.

Wait, the bed of your Cybertruck leaks and you decided not to fix the leak?

It's quick and easy to fix, I did mine in 15 minutes with no materials. Dry as a bone (and it rains a ton out here).

I'm surprised you can reach over the bed sides of your Lightning (in any meaningful way), it must have a lot less ground clearance than my 2010 F-150 XLT 4x4. I keep a slip sheet of thin foam in the bottom of my bed of all my trucks. Everything goes on top of that. When unloading, I unload everything I can reach, and then just pull the foam slipsheet towards me and all my stuff comes out to the tailgate for easy access.

Even a tall person like me hasn't been unloading anything substantial from the side of the bed on any 4x4 truck I know of in the last 20 years. They are not El Caminos! Sure, I can grab lighter items out over the side rails, particularly if the item is standing up a bit, and near the side of the bed, but I can do that on the Cybertruck too. Larger, heavier items? That a no-go on either truck.

Do you know why some versions of the Lightning are only 60% the price of the AWD Cybertruck? Ford would ask more if people thought they were worth more, but not many people think they are worth more. You know Ford loses money on every Lightning they sell. They are selling them for as much as they can get, that's why they are so cheap.

 

[HaulingAss]

But I said the perfect combo would be:
1) Lightning - Work truck and long trips.
2) CT - More fun to drive and better in the city.

CT is the ultimate Model 3 replacement, not the ultimate Lightning replacement.

It is funny how many people on here never owned, or likely even drove, a Lightning and hate it. I've put 10k+ miles in both Lightning and CT, I am not an uninformed stan.

It's amazing how some people don't care about a trucks capabilities. The lightning sucks on long trips due to range at highway speeds and charging networks. A lot of Superchargers are not available for CCS trucks, and CCS1 is a minority standard, with unreliable and expensive charge options, and it's about to become a whole lot more minority in 2025. You would need a hole in your head to buy a new CCS1 port EV in 2024 when they are all switching to NACS ports in 2025. Who wants to use DCFC adapters for the life of the truck?

Anyone who thinks the Cybertruck is a Model 3 replacement cannot be taken seriously; they are just trying to sell Fords Lightnings since they are not selling well. The Model 3 is Tesla's smallest vehicle, with the lowest ground clearance and the least cargo capacity, while the Cybertruck is Tesla's largest vehicle, with the most ground clearance and the highest cargo capacity. You are just talking silly talk to sell Lightnings when you try to position the Cybertruck as a "Model 3 replacement". The Cybertruck has replaced both my F-150 and my Model 3 Performance. The Lightning cannot do that in any satisfactory manner, it's just a clunky truck with a low cargo capacity and substandard charging networks. Sure, get an adapter and you can use half the Supercharger network if you buy a monthly subscription or are willing to pay 20-25% more. And it guzzles the electricity, just like the gas counterpart does with gas.

Can it get you across the road washout or through a deep flood? How capable is it when it comes to saving your family with an emergency avoidance maneuver or in a bad accident? Can it survive a hailstorm? I know which truck I'd rather have my family in when things go south. Ford made them in small numbers, they have priced them far below their cost to build, and they still can't sell them.

Will a shopping cart in the wind cause thousands of dollars of damage from one impact? Will the windshield break as easily as it does on any regular passenger car? Does it have software that is easy to live with, a world-class navigation system, and can you use more than half of the best DCFC network on the continent?

People who say the Lightning is a better long-distance truck, or better for jobsites, are simply trying to find a way, any way, to try to position the Lightning as better in some narrow manner. It's not better, it was outdated EV tech when it came out 3 years ago, and now it's even more outdated. It has an inferior battery temperature management system and will not last as long as a Cybertruck. It will need more repairs and repairs will cost more due to a lack of modularity. The thin aluminum body will get dented, the paint will chip and scratch, the frame will corrode, it's not a high-quality truck, made out of premium materials, like the Cybertruck is.

 

[HaulingAss]

The best combo is the Beast and Flash. The AWD CT is about as fun to drive as the Lightning, you need to spec up for the CT to be truly enjoyable.

That's a ridiculous statement to anyone who likes to drive, especially those who like to drive places for pleasure. Twisty scenic highways, wild rivers, mountains, deserts, forests, or off the beaten path. Maybe you never leave the city/suburbs, that's the only thing that could start to explain why you think the Lightning is more fun to drive, enjoy. That's a pretty non-demanding use case.

 

[Balthezor]

Wait, the bed of your Cybertruck leaks and you decided not to fix the leak?

It's quick and easy to fix, I did mine in 15 minutes with no materials. Dry as a bone (and it rains a ton out here).

I'm surprised you can reach over the bed sides of your Lightning (in any meaningful way), it must have a lot less ground clearance than my 2010 F-150 XLT 4x4. I keep a slip sheet of thin foam in the bottom of my bed of all my trucks. Everything goes on top of that. When unloading, I unload everything I can reach, and then just pull the foam slipsheet towards me and all my stuff comes out to the tailgate for easy access.

Even a tall person like me hasn't been unloading anything substantial from the side of the bed on any 4x4 truck I know of in the last 20 years. They are not El Caminos! Sure, I can grab lighter items out over the side rails, particularly if the item is standing up a bit, and near the side of the bed, but I can do that on the Cybertruck too. Larger, heavier items? That a no-go on either truck.

Do you know why some versions of the Lightning are only 60% the price of the AWD Cybertruck? Ford would ask more if people thought they were worth more, but not many people think they are worth more. You know Ford loses money on every Lightning they sell. They are selling them for as much as they can get, that's why they are so cheap.

How did you do it Hauling?

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