Confirmed: Original US Reservation List Exhausted

[SCTesla]

Really? You have never heard me say that my bone stock 2010 F-150 XLT 4x4 is too high to get anything meaningful out of the bed with my 6'-04" tall body?

I've only said it about 15 times and it's absolutely true (unless I'm parked right up to a curb or loading dock). I just don't see a difference in useability between these two truck bed formats based on the height of the bed sides. Because that's not how trucks get loaded and unloaded.

I do see a difference in that the Cybertruck bed doesn't have those pesky wheel wells intruding into the load area. I can roll large firewood rounds straight in, without having to maneuver them around the wheel wells. Super slick to load and unload.

I unloaded this entire load without getting in the bed once (until I was done and wanted to sweep it out):

That's a payload of 2400 lbs. My F-150 never loaded and unloaded this easily. Nor did it drive normally with such a heavy load. The Cybertruck drove like it was just another day going to the beach, I could barely tell I had a load at all!

You build these strawmen in defense of the CT like it's a child of yours. The sail is higher than the bed walls in an F150, you can reach over the side of an F150 easier and grab things. That's a fact and we can prove this with measurements. Reach into the bed from the tailgate with the tailgate closed. That's how the F150 is all-around the bed. The sails are significantly higher.

There are benefits to the CT, but there's also negatives to the individual owners. I get that you think it does everything better, but those aren't facts. Everyone has their own opinion. It's not hateful or dissing the CT that the F150 does some things better.

I disagree that the CT cannot be a work truck, but there are things in the F150 that are more geared towards workers, like the tailgate, tailgate step, frunk/frunk power. The F150 has a larger cabin, it has a table (which I already said, IMO, isn't a massive benefit). The CT has many things over the F150. The Rivian has benefits over both, but also, IMO, more downsides. The Silverado has range and a midgate. No one included everything to make the perfect truck...it's up to individuals to decide which is better for their needs.

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[HaulingAss]

I don't care about how much money they make on each vehicle or how many vehicles they sell, I care only about how much the vehicle costs me. If one company is subsidizing my cost, that's a good thing, right?

Well, it's better for the consumer than Ford charging their actual cost of manufacture! But it would be even better if they were more efficient at making and delivering vehicles so they could sell them at reasonable prices without losing money on them. Because no one wants to buy a vehicle from a manufacturer who isn't around to support it in ten years.

That's why corporate efficiency is so important, because it's not sustainable to sell products for less than it costs to make them. And, if they manage to stay in business regardless of their inefficiency, well, the customers end up paying for that inefficiency, just as they have been doing for the last several decades.

 

[HaulingAss]

The sail is higher than the bed walls in an F150, you can reach over the side of an F150 easier and grab things. That's a fact and we can prove this with measurements. Reach into the bed from the tailgate with the tailgate closed. That's how the F150 is all-around the bed. The sails are significantly higher.

You completely missed the relevant factor here.

Yes, you can marginally reach into the side of the bed of my 2010 F-150 4x4. No, that's not how trucks actually get loaded and unloaded. In Entry Mode, I can reach over the tailgate of the Cybertruck much easier than I can reach over the tailgate of my F-150. But I drop the tailgate if anything of any weight or size to load or unload.

People do not load and unload trucks from the side!

I disagree that the CT cannot be a work truck, but there are things in the F150 that are more geared towards workers, like the tailgate, tailgate step, frunk/frunk power. The F150 has a larger cabin, it has a table (which I already said, IMO, isn't a massive benefit). The CT has many things over the F150. The Rivian has benefits over both, but also, IMO, more downsides. The Silverado has range and a midgate. No one included everything to make the perfect truck...it's up to individuals to decide which is better for their needs.

It appears you see a truck as a list of nearly meaningless features, while I see a truck in terms of load capacity, performance, ride/handling, capability over obstacles, climbing ability, ground clearance, and, importantly, the reliability and quality of the build. I don't give a FF whether the frunk has outlets in it, whether there's a tailgate step or not, whether the cabin is a little bigger (I like things to be well-sized, not over-sized), etc.

I do care about how integrated the user experience is, how well the nav system works, how quickly the touchscreen responds, how good the stereo sounds even if I want to crank it up, how good the phone app is, whether the software updates are timely, stable, seamless and provide better functionality over time, etc. In short, I want the stuff I interact with every day to be excellent.

I want the long-term reliability and low cost of ownership of the best technology that is modular for ease of repair. I want long battery life, etc. All of these things come from exceptional engineering. The Lightning doesn't meet my expectations in so many areas it's a travesty. A cupholder or tailgate step can't fix crappy engineering.

It appears we look at vehicles from two very different perspectives, and that's fine, I want you to have what you will be most happy with (even if I don't understand that kind of thinking). Because to me quality engineering is fundamental, outlets in the frunk and tailgate steps are add on gimmicks that don't change the underlying nature of the truck.

Like most trucks, the Lightning is ponderous and stale. The only reason I've owned an F-150 all these years is because it's really nice to have a truck when you need a truck. The Cybertruck is that, and so much more.

 

[Jack27]

Then that should be it go buy your self the ford. What are you trying to convince us for ?

 

[Jack27]

Ok and why are you on a cyber truck owners forum then ? Why not kick it on your ford lighting forum with the boys and yack it up about how smart you guys are and happy with your purchase you are ? Are you trying to convince us or your self ?

 

[Mini2nut]

Any Joe blow can now order a Cybertruck through the website. No reservation required.

If Tesla had 1 million reservations that works out to a 3% conversion rate if 30k trucks have been sold.

The MUCH higher than anticipated MSRP's were the main barrier to entry for most reservation holders.

I am confident that lower MSRP's or incentives are on the horizon.


https://electrek.co/2024/10/18/tesl...leted-can-now-be-ordered-without-reservation/

 

[cyberdock]

I bought both R1T and R1S, and enjoyed them both over 2 years. But after test driving a F150 Lightning and a CT, I can see why CT is outselling all other EV trucks combined. CT drives much more like a car, fabulous turning radius, better ride quality…. Then there is FSD. A much better vehicle for 90 % of consumers who don’t need a “ work truck”. It will sell well.

 

[HaulingAss]

You can take any car and cherry pick parts that seem expensive. Comparing the largest windshield in automotive history to the small (in comparison) F-150 windshield that has minimal slope to it is comparing apples to oranges. The Cybertruck windshield is made of tougher borosilicate glass too, the Ford windshield is just regular automobile glass. Our F-150 windshield broke from a small impact the first year we owned it. As I recall it wasn't that cheap to replace either.

I would rather have tougher, more damage resistant glass that costs more than glass I have to replace more often. Because time is money too, you can't get it back. Build it right the first time.

 

[SCTesla]

You can take any car and cherry pick parts that seem expensive. Comparing the largest windshield in automotive history to the small (in comparison) F-150 windshield that has minimal slope to it is comparing apples to oranges. The Cybertruck windshield is made of tougher borosilicate glass too, the Ford windshield is just regular automobile glass. Our F-150 windshield broke from a small impact the first year we owned it. As I recall it wasn't that cheap to replace either.

I would rather have tougher, more damage resistant glass that costs more than glass I have to replace more often. Because time is money too, you can't get it back. Build it right the first time.

Agreed.

This would be like questioning why the earth mover tires are more expensive than regular sedan tires. It's not apples to apples.

 

[HaulingAss]

I bought both R1T and R1S, and enjoyed them both over 2 years. But after test driving a F150 Lightning and a CT, I can see why CT is outselling all other EV trucks combined. CT drives much more like a car, fabulous turning radius, better ride quality…. Then there is FSD. A much better vehicle for 90 % of consumers who don’t need a “ work truck”. It will sell well.

And if you want to blow your mind, drive it with 2500 lbs. of payload onboard. It's unreal the way you can barely tell you are loaded to max capacity. I've never driven another truck that didn't let you know, in obvious ways, that you need to take it easy. And many of them had much lower capacities. Only HD trucks have higher.

The air suspension, coupled with active damping, knows how to compensate for the load so you can barely tell you have a load. I think the throttle mapping/regen braking might even get in on the action too.

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