JerryRigEverything disses the Cybertruck

[GuyV]

wow. I like his videos. I do think there is a lot of politics in this as well but honestly, how much did Elon Musk actually build on the CT? It was a team of designers, techs and people. Elon supported it with an idea. I am not very happy with this rear bumper thing though. More I look into it there is some truth there but how much I do not know and I continue to pull my trailers. I just LOVE the truck. (hate the range) but can deal with it.

You see, there is the real harm in this, casting FUD even among supporters with no honest evidence. How do you expect this will affect potential buyers in the general public? This is more than just playful internet nonsense.

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[GuyV]

Correct. That’s one of those “known-knowns” I was referring to. I’m very sure that this is what Sandy was hinting at when he said he wasn’t sure about aluminum for towing.

Absolutely everything has a duty cycle. You seem to be accusing Tesla, without any serious evidence, of overlooking the safe functional life of its castings? Must they last for a thousand years of off-road towing of a multiple of rated capacity? What is your criteria?

 

[GuyV]

Donald Rumsfeld’s formulation “known-knowns, known-unknows, unknown-unknows,” and so forth was instructive and useful. I don’t have to agree with the whole person to find some value in something that they’ve said or done.

Kind of my whole fucking point.

Thanks for playing.

LOL, why are you targeting what I said then? It has nothing to do with what you claim as your "fucking point."

What does matter to it is that the net value of what the mendacious clickbait you-tuber posted is negative.

 

[HaulingAss]

The towing is a legitimate concern. I understand we love this truck but having the potential of the hitch failing due to being bolted onto aluminum casting is a real thing and goes against the 11klb rating alot of us bought this truck for, which was to actually haul things. If this is indeed an failure point it's going to take just 1 death to initiate a mass recall which could be years from now.

Why do you think the Cybertruck can't tow up to it's ratings? It's not clear why you think that.

Every reputable Cybertruck test I've seen with a heavy trailer, the driver said it felt almost like it wasn't even there. And we know Tesla torture tested it with heavy trailers because it would be a disaster for Tesla if it wasn't suited for the task it's rated for. This isn't fun and games, Tesla has some of the best automotive engineers in the world, not to mention materials scientists. It wouldn't be like them to fail at something so basic to the functionality of a truck.

It looks to me like you are trying to leverage some unreliable stories to throw shade on Tesla without any evidence.

 

[GuyV]

I recently took it camping and working a lot and loading a lot of stuff on the bed I did that feeling at times....like how is this stuff going to be in 10 years. I love it but I share this concern.

Yet "real trucks" need plastic bedliners and such to protect them. What happens when things get damaged? Is the cost to fix them if necessary reasonable and comparable?

 

[dalton108]

Absolutely everything has a duty cycle. You seem to be accusing Tesla, without any serious evidence, of overlooking the safe functional life of its castings? Must they last for a thousand years of off-road towing of a multiple of rated capacity? What is your criteria?

Accusing them of what exactly? I’ve made NO ACCUSATION. I have simply pointed out the fact that in addition to JRE, MULTIPLE well respected YouTubers, at least one of whom (Sandy) is a subject matter, expert have in one way or another raised the concern.

? THAT STATEMENT IS A FACT.

You’re not going to find a single post where I have said or implied - ‘oh this is awful and Tesla really needs to get their shit together’ - never happened buddy. Never fucking happened!!!

The trade-offs of aluminum as a material are known-knowns. Whether Tesla actually has a problem here is a known-unknown!

I’ve said nothing more than that. But apparently, that reality is too much for you to handle. I can’t help you there.

But again, I’m not one of you black or white clowns. I take reality as it is. I’m not looking to make it conform to my stupid ideological beliefs. I recognize that I’m virtually alone and I’m perfectly fine with that reality too. I’m disinterested in being a part of either version of this simple-minded groupthink.

But for the record, I tow on and off-road with my CyberBeast probably more than 99% of people. Weekly!

So let’s be clear, I stand for reality not either camp’s version of deification or condemnation. Cope!

I bought my truck for my own uses and I will use it to the fullest extent of its capabilities. There are zero opinions beyond my own that influence my satisfaction with the vehicle. I don’t care about douche bags rolling smoke or douche bags hating the truck because of how they feel about Elon. All of the douche bags can blow me, I was never interested in what they thought in the first place.

But because we live in a real world, the truck, like all things in engineering has limitations, trade-offs and flaws! Somebody pointing those out hurting you is kind of a you problem.

What mendacious click bait???!!! Did anybody do more than read the title he pointed out three things he loved, three things he hated cited unverified but definitely levied claims of hitch failure, quantified that at best there are three claims out of 30,000 vehicles and then offered his opinion on how he feels about it. What’s unfair about that? Why is it OK for Doug or Sandy to have the exact same opinion. This is that mountain you’re making out of a molehill.

99% of the complaints here are juvenile ad hominem, knee-jerk, or politically based gripes.

That, sir, was my point and it’s been proven over and over again on this thread. I could copy and paste each one here but I don’t have the time or interest.

 

[HaulingAss]

Accusing them of what exactly? I’ve made NO ACCUSATION. I have simply pointed out the fact that in addition to what time JRE, MULTIPLE well respected YouTubers, at least one of whom (Sandy) is a subject matter, expert have raised the concern.

? THAT STATEMENT IS A FACT.

I think I get it now, you are raising the concern without any reliable evidence indicating there is an actual concern, simply because some other YouTubers have raised the concern, again, without any reliable evidence that there is a concern.

OK, got it!

The trade-off of aluminum as a material are known-knowns. I’ve said nothing more than that. But apparently, that reality is too much for you to handle. I can’t help you there.

Are you saying that Tesla materials engineers know the properties of the aluminum alloy used? That they are well aware of the fatigue limits and how to avoid that ever being a problem?

OK, then I agree.

So, what exactly is the problem here? What are the specific "limitations and flaws" that you are pointing out here? I'm not aware of any, the Cybertruck is rated to tow more than 99% of the F-150s on the road. Is there something you are not telling us here?

And please don't tell us that aluminum handles fatigue differently than steel, the engineers at Tesla are already well-versed in the structural properties of the materials they chose. What exactly is the issue and where is the evidence that it's a real issue (and not just made up FUD)?

 

[GuyV]

Accusing them of what exactly? I’ve made NO ACCUSATION. I have simply pointed out the fact that in addition to what time JRE, MULTIPLE well respected YouTubers, at least one of whom (Sandy) is a subject matter, expert have raised the concern.

? THAT STATEMENT IS A FACT.

You’re not going to find a single post where I have said oh this is awful and Tesla really needs to get their shit together never happened buddy. Never fucking happened!!!

The trade-off of aluminum as a material are known-knowns. I’ve said nothing more than that. But apparently, that reality is too much for you to handle. I can’t help you there.

But again, I’m not one of you black or white clowns. I take reality as it is. I’m not looking to make it conform to my stupid ideological beliefs. I recognize that I’m virtually alone and I’m perfectly fine with that reality too. I’m disinterested in being a part of either version of this simple-minded groupthink.

But for the record, I tow on an off-road with my cyber truck probably more than 99% of people. Weekly!

So let’s be clear, I stand for reality not either camp’s version of deification or condemnation. Cope!

I bought my truck for my own uses and I will use it to the fullest extent of its capabilities. But it has limitations and flaws and somebody pointing those out hurting you is kind of a you problem.

" accusing Tesla, without any serious evidence, of overlooking the safe functional life of its castings "

Tesla has pointed out its limitations in its specifications. You seem to be confidently using yours according to those specifications so kudos, but supporting their denial without verifiable evidence is rather hypocritical.

Of course you are free to do that, but like the trash video, expect to be called out on it.

That's what most are doing here because we know that media watches what goes on in this forum.

 

[dalton108]

There is one more motivating factor that you just mentioned and it seems to be a attempt to protect Tesla because people do know that the media will swoop in here see what we’re talking about and produce FUD. I get the sentiment but I don’t share it. Lies or lies doesn’t matter how they’re generated we ought to be able to have frank discussions about issues whether they’re just perception or not.

Perception is reality. But I simply don’t think that if you take out all the vitriol, politics and other crap that’s being directed in his direction that this video produced by JRE is unfair.

As I said earlier, “there are reports of people eating cats” is not the same thing as “they are eating the cats.” He did not say they’re eating the cats, he said the former. That’s a true statement.

That you don’t like his analysis is another kettle of fish. He literally couched that part of the video with I’m gonna tell you my feelings about it. What more is he supposed to do? That’s not FUD!

that’s an opinion that you don’t like. But again what nobody seems to want to answer is then, how come you’re OK with Sandy and Doug and even Kyle to some extent.

 

[dalton108]

That's what most are doing here because we know that media watches what goes on in this forum.

No, my friend. That unfortunately is objectively and demonstrably false. What most are doing is hurling infantile insults like they’re six and somebody told them that their birthday cake is ugly.

And c’est la vie, but that’s what’s happening.

 

[dalton108]

I think I get it now, you are raising the concern without any reliable evidence indicating there is an actual concern, simply because some other YouTubers have raised the concern, again, without any reliable evidence that there is a concern.

OK, got it!

I mean I’m all for being cute in replies and what-not, but I think you know that’s not what I’m saying. I would only respond with this question is it fair to say that somebody like Sandy Munro is just a YouTuber or is he an engineer with a YouTube channel?

It’d be one thing if it was only JRE but I mean that guy for all of the faults that you guys wanna point out has done something that I’m pretty sure nobody here has and that is to build his own completely electric Hummer from scratch.

If you think that guy is some kind of a joke then OK but that’s impressive to me and I’m not gonna forget that nugget because you guys think he’s a Libtard nincompoop. He’s engineered a wheelchair that is out there doing stuff someone else said above he’s not a stupid person even if it helps people feel better about him not liking what they like.

But even if I were to concede everything you guys want to say about JRE I defy you to apply that to Munro. Elon/Tesla sure as shit don’t.

Are you saying that Tesla materials engineers know the properties of the aluminum alloy used? That they are well aware of the fatigue limits and how to avoid that ever being a problem?

OK, then I agree.

I believe, because it’s demonstrably true, Tesla has some of the best engineers on the fucking planet. But I don’t believe in hero-worship and I’m not a “respecter of persons.” [Acts 10:34] They are fallible. When Sandy whispers that he doesn’t trust aluminum for towing he has my full attention.

So, what exactly is the problem here? What are the specific "limitations and flaws" that you are pointing out here? I'm not aware of any, the Cybertruck is rated to tow more than 99% of the F-150s on the road. Is there something you are not telling us here?

And please don't tell us that aluminum handles fatigue differently than steel, the engineers at Tesla are already well-versed in the structural properties of the materials they chose.

Thanks for taking care of my light work here! You already answered your own question.

That they know it doesn’t mean that they got everything right. I’m not saying they got anything wrong. I would like to know exactly what part of WDs testing broke the cast definitively but I have no idea if that would tell us that the truck has a design flaw. I know this, my friend, as a lawyer who has defended countless clients against product defect cases and a guy who used to do accident investigations as a compliance officer with OSHA shit happens all the time. Nobody gets at 100% right. Ever.

What exactly is the issue and where is the evidence that it's a real issue (and not just made up FUD)?

I have no earthly idea. I know what has been implied. I know that Tesla has said nothing one way or another. All I’ve ever said is when you guys were saying that these Youtubers (outside of WD) are being unfair I don’t agree. In the case of JRE I think that’s intimate is objectively false. And I really find it curious that everybody keeps ignoring that Sandy has raised the exact same issue based on the exact same limited allegations and his materials engineering/manufacturing expertise.

 

[GuyV]

No, my friend. That unfortunately is objectively and demonstrably false. What most are doing is hurling infantile insults like they’re six and somebody told them that their birthday cake is ugly.

And c’est la vie, but that’s what’s happening.

I guess some think infantile insults are an effective response for watchers who may take infantile you-tube rants seriously.

I personally think that is better than there-are-bad-people-on-both-sides rants that support false equivalency.

We all know birthday cakes are just a matter of taste, but safety concerns strike people viscerally.

 

[MICyber]

That guy has been revealed to be a complete tool, unworthy of getting the time of day. I unsubbed him on all platforms a while ago.

He also started the company dbrand that sells phone cases. I ordered a case and it was sub par so I tried to return. After weeks of trying to get a return they final responded. Then while returning he wanted pictures of the postage applied to the package. I think he's a one man band and is over his head.

 

[GuyV]

I mean I’m all for being cute and replies and what not but I think you know that’s not what I’m saying. I would only respond with this question is it fair to say that somebody like Sandy Munro is just a YouTuber or is he an engineer with a YouTube channel?

It’d be one thing if it was only JRE but I mean that guy for all of the faults that you guys wanna point out has done something that I’m pretty sure nobody here has and that is to build his own completely electric Hummer from scratch.

If you think that guy is some kind of a joke then OK but that’s impressive to me and I’m not gonna forget that nugget because you guys think he’s a Libtard nincompoop. He’s engineered a wheelchair that is out there doing stuff someone else said above he’s not a stupid person even if it helps people feel better about him not liking what they like.

But even if I were to concede everything you guys want to say about JRE I defy you to apply that to Munro. Elon/Tesla sure as shit don’t.



I believe, because it’s demonstrably true, Tesla has some of the best engineers on the fucking planet. But I don’t believe in hero-worship and I’m not a “respecter of persons.” [Acts 10:34] They are fallible. When Sandy whispers that he doesn’t trust aluminum for towing he has my full attention.





Thanks for taking care of my light work here! You already answered your own question.

That they know it doesn’t mean that they got everything right. I’m not saying they got anything wrong. I would like to know exactly what part of WDs testing broke the cast definitively but I have no idea if that would tell us that the truck has a design flaw. I know this, my friend, as a lawyer who has defended countless clients against product defect cases and a guy who used to do accident investigations as a compliance officer with OSHA shit happens all the time. Nobody gets at 100% right. Ever.



I have no earthly idea. I know what has been implied. I know that Tesla has said nothing one way or another. All I’ve ever said is when you guys were saying that these Youtubers (outside of WD) are being unfair I don’t agree. In the case of JRE I think that’s intimate is objectively false. And I really find it curious that everybody keeps ignoring that Sandy has raised the exact same issue based on the exact same limited allegations and his materials engineering/manufacturing expertise.

You keep bringing up Sandy Munro as someone whose judgement you trust. You said you think he is "whispering" about a critical deficiency when he didn't come out and say it was. Are you then saying that if he thought it was a real danger he wouldn't warn people?

 

[Speednet]

He also started the company dbrand that sells phone cases. I ordered a case and it was sub par so I tried to return. After weeks of trying to get a return they final responded. Then while returning he wanted pictures of the postage applied to the package. I think he's a one man band and is over his head.

Wait, he is dbrand?? Thanks for the heads-up. I ordered something from them a couple years ago, and now won't do it again.

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