JerryRigEverything disses the Cybertruck

[mcm4ss]

Why do you think the Cybertruck can't tow up to it's ratings? It's not clear why you think that.

Every reputable Cybertruck test I've seen with a heavy trailer, the driver said it felt almost like it wasn't even there. And we know Tesla torture tested it with heavy trailers because it would be a disaster for Tesla if it wasn't suited for the task it's rated for. This isn't fun and games, Tesla has some of the best automotive engineers in the world, not to mention materials scientists. It wouldn't be like them to fail at something so basic to the functionality of a truck.

It looks to me like you are trying to leverage some unreliable stories to throw shade on Tesla without any evidence.

I agree with a lot of that. Tesla did an outstanding job with this. The giga castings got massive praise from Munro and other designers for their job. Looking at my f350 and f550 plus the ram 2500 even they added extra supports for the receiver hitch when I got the upgrade so my confidence in the truck doing what it was intended to do is 150%. IF I was to ever want to add more to the truck I wouldn't. Not what it was intended.

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[CYBEAST]

Another nobody with an opinion. Who cares

 

[vandytom]

who TF is Jerry?

 

[dalton108]

Another nobody with an opinion. Who cares

Well, I can’t give you an exact number but it’ll be some subset of his more than 8 million followers. ?

I’d be fascinated to know what your definition of “nobody” is.

 

[CYBEAST]

Well, I can’t give you an exact number but it’ll be some subset of his more than 8 million followers. ?

I’d be fascinated to know what your definition of “nobody” is.

Ask 10 people on the streets if they know him. Bet you get a big fat zero.

 

[HaulingAss]

You keep bringing up Sandy Munro as someone whose judgement you trust. You said you think he is "whispering" about a critical deficiency when he didn't come out and say it was. Are you then saying that if he thought it was a real danger he wouldn't warn people?

Exactly, it seems like some off-the-cuff comment from Munro carries more intellectual weight than all the engineering analysis done by the materials science experts at Tesla.

To be clear, I'm not saying they are infallible, that there couldn't be a problem. That's possible. But, to date, we have no reliable hint that there might be a problem. None, nada zilch. It's all just inuendo based upon the fact that no one bothered to employ high pressure castings in a towing hitch before.

It's the old "That's not how it's always been done" argument, they must be wrong. It's planting the seeds of fear, uncertainty and doubt, the preferred tool of detractors who have no real evidence of a problem.

 

[SCTesla]

Ask 10 people on the streets if they know him. Bet you get a big fat zero.

Odd thing to say. Not many on YT have almost 9mm subscribers.

Bryson DeChambeau has less than 2 million.

I think your point is better made saying you don't care about his opinion.

 

[CYBEAST]

Odd thing to say. Not many on YT have almost 9mm subscribers.

Bryson DeChambeau has less than 2 million.

I think your point is better made saying you don't care about his opinion.

Yea agreed. I don’t care what he thinks. I just think people blur social media followers with fame. Remember most followers are fake.

 

[dalton108]

“… off-the-cuff comment …”

You assume that that comment made it into the video accidentally. I do not. I’ll leave it there.

 

[SCTesla]

Yea agreed. I don’t care what he thinks. I just think people blur social media followers with fame. Remember most followers are fake.

Even so, you would compare that to all the rest of the "famous people" and 8-9mm is still way up there.

Obviously a very well known Youtuber and famous compared to the general public, even most athletes/celebrities.

 

[dalton108]

… carries more intellectual weight than all the engineering analysis done by the materials science experts at Tesla.

I made clear my position. That was a whisper, it was subtle and you can bet your ass it was intentionally published.

Again, I don’t do a hero worship; I’m not lionizing Mr. Munro.

I don’t know him, I’ve never studied his work, I’ve never deposed him, but I’m able to tell you with certitude that Tesla engineers aren’t showing him around the back of the shop and putting Easter eggs into their circuit boards for somebody they don’t highly respect. So, I give his opinion credence because they do.

I also know that in the business that he’s and he understands liability and he understands what the impact of him saying publicly that he has misgivings about aluminum in this application means.

That tells me that the comment was not edited out of the video for a fucking reason people. You don’t have to interpret that the same way. But, you’d be wrong.

My instincts serve me well, but I’m not trying to convince you of anything. Believe what you want.

I explained to you why I thought it was notable. It is notable. It’s not coincidental and even if it was off-hand at the time he made the statement, the fact that it got published in that video is clear evidence that it’s something he wanted heard from his mouth. The words “leave it in” we’re absolutely said!

Spin that however you like. It doesn’t mean that he’s ignoring what he has determined is a serious safety hazard, but it certainly means he’s aware of the controversy and is willing to say he’s not so sure about aluminum in this application.

You don’t have to be clairvoyant; just observant, discerning and experienced.

 

[HaulingAss]

If you think these unverified reports aren’t worth knowing about and Tesla shouldn’t check their math OK. I know better and even though they’re being whisper quiet about it, I guarantee you they know better too.

Why do you believe Tesla should check their math? Because Sandy Munro thinks he knows more about the engineering of the hitch than the people who actually engineered it?

I will guarantee that Tesla checked their math and engineering multiple times, with different engineers, before they released the first Cybertruck. I'm pretty sure they also destructively tested the tow hitch and x-rayed the castings after simulated abuse so they know where the fatigue limits of the design were.

Putting innuendo and YouTube personalities against the engineering expertise at Tesla, with no real evidence that there's a problem, even after thousands of miles of people using the hitch at the max load limit and on rough terrain, is the height of arrogance.

In the unlikely scenario that Tesla did poor engineering, and the hitch isn't up to the stated limits, there will start to be real world failures, on trucks that have been used within the rated limits. The bottom line is that until we see the first failure from a reputable source, it's the height of arrogance and idiocy to think you know more than those who certified the design. Because there is currently not a shred of evidence that the engineering or manufacture is sub par. Using the same logic, we could worry about anything, with nothing reliable to go on.

Should we also worry about the airframes of Starship rockets that weigh over 11 million pounds, harnessing over 40 million horsepower and experiencing violent vibrations of several dozen G's during acceleration to speeds of over Mach 8 or 9? Because they have aluminum airframes under that stainless steel skin. I wonder what Sandy Munro thinks about that?

 

[dalton108]

Why do you believe Tesla should check their math? Because Sandy Munro thinks he knows more about the engineering of the hitch than the people who actually engineered it?

I will guarantee that Tesla checked their math and engineering multiple times, with different engineers, before they released the first Cybertruck. I'm pretty sure they also destructively tested the tow hitch and x-rayed the castings after simulated abuse so they know where the fatigue limits of the design were.

Putting innuendo and YouTube personalities against the engineering expertise at Tesla, with no real evidence that there's a problem, even after thousands of miles of people using the hitch at the max load limit and on rough terrain, is the height of arrogance.

In the unlikely scenario that Tesla did poor engineering, and the hitch isn't up to the stated limits, there will start to be real world failures, on trucks that have been used within the rated limits. The bottom line is that until we see the first failure from a reputable source, it's the height of arrogance and idiocy to think you know more than those who certified the design. Because there is currently not a shred of evidence that the engineering or manufacture is sub par. Using the same logic, we could worry about anything, with nothing reliable to go on.

Should we also worry about the airframes of Starship rockets that weigh over 11 million pounds, harnessing over 40 million horsepower and experiencing violent vibrations of several dozen G's during acceleration to speeds of over Mach 8 or 9? Because they have aluminum airframes under that stainless steel skin. I wonder what Sandy Munro thinks about that?

I’m sure there’s a Easter egg on the CT circuit boards with your name on it too, right?

You were moving towards sanity and now you’ve veered way off course. Are you fucking kidding me?

Are you suggesting that there aren’t external third-party experts who can challenge the engineering of highly qualified in-house engineers and point out their mistakes every second of every day?

I’m going to treat this nonsense and, I do mean nonsense, with all of the respect that it’s due. None.

 

[HaulingAss]

Even so, you would compare that to all the rest of the "famous people" and 8-9mm is still way up there.

Obviously a very well known Youtuber and famous compared to the general public, even most athletes/celebrities.

Why has the argument become how famous some douchbag Youtuber is? I don't care if he's as famous as the Queen of England, he's still not someone to go head-to-head with the kind of engineers Tesla uses to design the key structures of their vehicles.

 

[SCTesla]

Why has the argument become how famous some douchbag Youtuber is? I don't care if he's as famous as the Queen of England, he's still not someone to go head-to-head with the kind of engineers Tesla uses to design the key structures of their vehicles.

Your CT/Tesla worship is odd. Tesla makes many poor engineering decisions, like the suspension camber issues on the S/X, the motors on the S (vibrating). Sometimes they correct them, sometimes they just tell people they are "in spec".

The hitch breaking is bad. It broke because it's aluminum. Even when Ford went aluminum, they kept the steel hitch and connection because of that potential. It's an extremely rare case and absolutely a cost conscious decision, but I don't know anyone that would claim it was the correct move from an engineering perspective. Engineers do not have final say in these things, though. There's a balance of cost vs. effectiveness.

Edit: My point in arguing his fame is to point out that he is famous. That's a dumb aspect to hit, when you can more easily attack the things he said.

Yes. I understand this is a CT forum and most here do not want to listen to any criticism, but like the range of the Silverado, Frunk/Price/plugs/interior of the F150, the CT isn't the class leader in everything...if it was it would be far more than 100k. What we received is something I prefer the most, even if it's not the best at everything. In the end that's subjective.

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