Latest From Musk: Production Cybertruck almost exactly same but better. No door handles. 4 wheel steering. Self opening doors.

[Bseddy1]

this really is no different than the model S which 'presents' the handle. touching the back of this handle is what opens the door, not actually physically pulling the handle.

I dont think this will be an issue at all for the CT. the S is very good at knowing when to present said handle, and most times its right when you arrive at the door based on key/phone connecting to bluetooth of the vehicle.

There is a difference because of the nearly impenetrable exterior on the CT. You can break glass on Model S to extract a person, you can't on the cybertruck.

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[tidmutt]

Regular handles, in an accident, don't guarantee people can open your door. Granted, better chance than no door handle.

Tesla has to consider these things though. They have documentation that helps train first responders for their other vehicles, so they have to be cognizant of all of these factors.

Many cars unlock their doors when they detect an accident in progress, maybe the CT will do the same, but actually open the door, or try to when the truck comes to a stop. If the doors aren't open then the first responder knows they need to find another way?

 

[Crissa]

This is a neat feature, but if I get in an accident, I'd like people to be able to extract me from the car.

In an accident strong enough you can't extricate yourself, the doors are usually damaged anyhow.

You can break glass on Model S to extract a person, you can't on the cybertruck.

You can break the glass the same way, with a hardened point and lever.

Yes, Tesla doors unlock after it detects a collision.

-Crissa

 

[VolklKatana]

Please include car to grid charging...Ford already includes it as well as hyundai, Lucid, Polestar....Let keep striving for grid independence sooner than later

the number of people that would spend the money to make their house capable of doing this is very low. we are talking thousands of dollars to do this, and then you still have the issue of only powering certain items, not the entire house. I think this adds complexity to the vehicle manufacturing, additional wear and tear on the batteries themselves, and in the end, would be a feature seldom utilized.

not to mention it takes away from their powerwall business...

 

[tidmutt]

It's only an issue the first time they open it.

They are going to be equally baffled by no handle at all. I suppose you will be able to tap the screen to let them in at least.

Lol - Granted. My point was not so much that the CT was better, just that the M3 handles are very so-so. I'm quite happy not to get them on the CT.

There is going to have to be a way for passengers to get in unaided. I'm guessing the button on the pillar above or something like that. That will also help address the first responder situation.

Now it would be super amazing if I could register my kids faces and the car would unlock and open for them. I think my head would explode all over that shiny stainless steel if it did that, but I'm going to guess it's not going to that be overwhelmingly cool.

 

[Crissa]

There are moving parts, but it doesn't require a motor which can wear out to open and close the door.

It's usually the gears that wear put, not the motor, and the gear are the similar in a motorized latch as a manual one. With the motorized one, they can optimize away from the gears, tho.

-Crissa

 

[Ogre]

Lol - Granted. My point was not so much that the CT was better, just that the M3 handles are very so-so. I'm quite happy not to get them on the CT.

My point was just that the MY handles are simple, reliable, and aero. While the no-handles approach is simple and aero, it's unknown whether it's reliable or not.

Now it would be super amazing if I could register my kids faces and the car would unlock and open for them. I think my head would explode all over that shiny stainless steel if it did that, but I'm going to guess it's not going to that be overwhelmingly cool.

I don't think it's going to be face recognition, most likely just Bluetooth the way the existing MY works.

It would be awesome if it were and the doors opened automatically for anyone who I've let in previously, but I'm not holding my breath on that one.

 

[Crissa]

I think this adds complexity to the vehicle manufacturing, additional wear and tear on the batteries themselves, and in the end, would be a feature seldom utilized.

No, it does not.

The DC charging requires the ability to have unfettered access for a charge point to the battery. This is exactly the same as you need on the vehicle side of vehicle to grid.

-Crissa

 

[tidmutt]

the number of people that would spend the money to make their house capable of doing this is very low. we are talking thousands of dollars to do this, and then you still have the issue of only powering certain items, not the entire house. I think this adds complexity to the vehicle manufacturing, additional wear and tear on the batteries themselves, and in the end, would be a feature seldom utilized.

not to mention it takes away from their powerwall business...

This was Musk's position on it in the past. There was V2G on the roadster, but no one used it... but that was a long time ago now.

Given where I am in the world I would spring for the equipment to hook my car up to my house and grid so long as:

1. There was a guarantee that the battery would only be used an agreed upon number of times and percentages a year. The car would also have to be guaranteed to be at a set percentage of charge in the morning.
2. There was some financial incentive from the utility
3. I can power my house in the case of power outage

When you're without power after a hurricane, flipping a few switches and breakers to ensure you keep your fridge, TV, a few fans going is easily managed! Better than nothing at all. The CT3 battery could power a whole house for a while I think. So just the essentials could last a long time. Eventually devices could switch off automatically, some might be able to do this already. Part of it is to be ready for the future. If some CT will be around for a couple of decades then it's future proofing them to have the circuitry to support V2H and V2G.

 

[BillyGee]

It's usually the gears that wear put, not the motor, and the gear are the similar in a motorized latch as a manual one. With the motorized one, they can optimize away from the gears, tho.

-Crissa

Could be pneumatic Pistons. The truck does have an air compressor built in.

 

[Ogre]

It's usually the gears that wear put, not the motor, and the gear are the similar in a motorized latch as a manual one. With the motorized one, they can optimize away from the gears, tho.

I had it in my head that this would open/ close the doors similar to the way the hatch is opened and closed. Now I'm not sure, maybe it's just a release, like an old trunk release or the Frunk on the Model Y.

A release would be very few parts and likely super reliable. The full open/ close mechanism would be nicer but have more parts.

 

[Smokehouse Brown]

I'd pay for normal door handles.

This is a neat feature, but if I get in an accident, I'd like people to be able to extract me from the car.

Four wheel steering is an awesome unexpected bonus, but the handles... not a fan.

Any vehicle that gets in a bad crash may have it's doors jammed closed. They would just simply use the extraction tool to open the door. Or the on board computer AI will sense you where in an accident and call emergency services and open the door for you. I would think.

 

[Crissa]

Could be pneumatic Pistons. The truck does have an air compressor built in.

Could be, but they're using electric ones on the Model S and X. Was it Ford or BMW that also put one in their door? I think it was the Ford.

I am pretty sure it's just a kick release, not a full automation. They didn't show a full automation on the prototype.

-Crissa

 

[VolklKatana]

No, it does not.

The DC charging requires the ability to have unfettered access for a charge point to the battery. This is exactly the same as you need on the vehicle side of vehicle to grid.

-Crissa

there are undoubtedly safety mechanisms in place to prevent electricity from flowing from the battery back toward a charger when the charger is off. There would would be changes that allow electricity to flow to a place other than the electric motors. Not to mention additional software/GUI's and other safeguards for these new pieces as well. These are all new complexities that i dont see tesla wanting to deal with. maybe im wrong but, it goes against their goal of the CT being simplistic from a MFG standpoint.

 

[tidmutt]

My point was just that the MY handles are simple, reliable, and aero. While the no-handles approach is simple and aero, it's unknown whether it's reliable or not.


I don't think it's going to be face recognition, most likely just Bluetooth the way the existing MY works.

It would be awesome if it were and the doors opened automatically for anyone who I've let in previously, but I'm not holding my breath on that one.

I'm going to guess it's a button on the pillar, like many have theorized and the doors also self present, maybe just drivers door.... doesn't seem much more complex than the interior button in the M3 that disengages the lock. The self presenting door adds a bit of complexity... but we have an example from the Model X... are they reliable? Not sure, maybe someone knows...

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