How can it be so affordable?

[John K]

i wouldn’t consider it good. Average 15 unloaded.

Easier to measure the delta on tonneau cover open vs close at speed in efficient vehicles.

Still better fuel efficiency compared to my Avalanche.

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[Crissa]

I understand, that’s quite simple. Demand for CT is very high. Is CT pricing going up?

Cybertruck demand is predicated on a price point.

They can have instant feedback about pricing for a Model Y since they're delivering them right now. They can't have that feedback for the Cybertruck yet.

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[Ogre]

I find a price increase at this point pretty unlikely. If they were going to, they would bump the price in the configuration tool. They’ve already done this once with FSD.

One of the things I’ve seen is Tesla can really zing you with appealing options which are expensive.

Since I plan on using this for camping, it would be really difficult to turn down a solar option for example.

 

[JBee]

Yep nearly.
There's flow separation from the apex but the flow above the slim separation layer is still mostly laminar until after the tailgate.

 

[Raebrek]

When I bought my VW Golf diesel. I wondered how some one could look at the gasoline version for the same price that got 20mpg and choose it over the diesel that got 40mpg. this would have been in the year 2000.

I just think it will be odd to be at a Tesla dealership and see a basic model Y dual motor priced at the current $54,000, and sitting next to it a dual motor CT with all the above mentioned upgrades for $49,000. Seems like that could make the Y a hard sell to a lot of buyers when they see this CT with so many more cool features and it costs 10% less. They may not be in the market for a truck but it will make them wonder why the more expensive Model Y they are considering purchasing doesn’t have any comparable features but still costs more.

 

[Ogre]

I can see all of these points and they are definitely all valid and make plenty of sense.. I just think it will be odd to be at a Tesla dealership and see a basic model Y dual motor priced at the current $54,000, and sitting next to it a dual motor CT with all the above mentioned upgrades for $49,000. Seems like that could make the Y a hard sell to a lot of buyers when they see this CT with so many more cool features and it costs 10% less. They may not be in the market for a truck but it will make them wonder why the more expensive Model Y they are considering purchasing doesn’t have any comparable features but still costs more.

I can see why people would buy the Model Y. Many people just don’t want a giant metal robot sent by aliens from the future parked in their driveway. The Model Y is likely to see some upgrades in the next few months. And the Cybertruck is going to be hard to get for some time.

A lot of people just want a car to get them to and from work. If you need a vehicle for getting your kids to school and getting to work, the Cybertruck is a bit much. The size is a disadvantage if you don’t need it. The Model Y handles better, parks easier, and comes in red.

Also, the Cybertruck isn’t the only vehicle getting the 4680 batteries, the Texas Model Ys are as well. Exactly what that will look like is a bit of a mystery, but it’s going to enjoy some combination of: longer range, faster, or lighter. We might see a 400 mile range Model Y LR Next year.

Finally, it’s not like you’ll be able to walk into a showroom and buy a Cybertruck. People ordering today likely won’t see their car for 18 months or more. Dual motor Cybertrucks ordered today might not be on the road for 2-3 Years. I suspect a fair number of people will “settle” for something they can get today and worry about the truck when they can actually buy it.

If you do want an alien robot from the future in your driveway haven’t you already ordered one?

 

[CyberGus]

The Cybertruck has an excellent drag coefficient:

https://www.cybertruckownersclub.co...rag-coefficient-analysis-yields-0-34-cd.2559/

Traditional pickups have a Cd in the 0.4 -0.6 range. Here's a study showing the relative effect of different bed configurations of a F-150:

https://www.fordf150.net/misc/tonneau-covers-save-mpg-article.php

 

[firsttruck]

I can see all of these points and they are definitely all valid and make plenty of sense.. I just think it will be odd to be at a Tesla dealership and see a basic model Y dual motor priced at the current $54,000, and sitting next to it a dual motor CT with all the above mentioned upgrades for $49,000. Seems like that could make the Y a hard sell to a lot of buyers when they see this CT with so many more cool features and it costs 10% less. They may not be in the market for a truck but it will make them wonder why the more expensive Model Y they are considering purchasing doesn’t have any comparable features but still costs more.

The Cybertruck will have a significant higher energy use per mile driven than the Model Y.

 

[JBee]

The Cybertruck will have a significant higher energy use per mile driven than the Model Y.

And because of that will have a bigger battery to than the Y making it even better value.

 

[Ogre]

And because of that will have a bigger battery to than the Y making it even better value.

People don’t care how big the battery is on the Model Y. They care about range. Tesla doesn’t even talk about battery size any more, just range.

If you can go further on a smaller battery that means you spend less time at the Superchargers as well.

 

[JBee]

People don’t care how big the battery is on the Model Y. They care about range. Tesla doesn’t even talk about battery size any more, just range.

If you can go further on a smaller battery that means you spend less time at the Superchargers as well.

Just because its not directly advertised doesn't mean you won't get it. Many people look for better value and understand battery sizes etc. I know that I am buying at least one CT for the batteries for stationary use, not the range.

The point is that more battery costs more to make, yet it's still cheaper than a MY.

The charge rate depends on the pack type and cooling etc. 4680s will be faster than 2170s. So the comparison would have to be between a 4680 CT and a 4680 MY, which in turn will likely also be cheaper.

 

[Ogre]

Just because its not directly advertised doesn't mean you won't get it. Many people look for better value and understand battery sizes etc. I know that I am buying at least one CT for the batteries for stationary use, not the range.

The point is that more battery costs more to make, yet it's still cheaper than a MY.

The charge rate depends on the pack type and cooling etc. 4680s will be faster than 2170s. So the comparison would have to be between a 4680 CT and a 4680 MY, which in turn will likely also be cheaper.

You…. YOU personally care about battery.

The truck makes sense to YOU. (It also makes sense to me, but for different reasons)

The question was “Why would people (It wasn’t why would JBee) buy a Model Y…”. There are several tens of millions of potential Model Y buyers who are not YOU who don’t give a rats ass about battery size, they care about going from point A to point B quickly, being able to find parking, and charging up quicker.

It’s those 10s of millions of people who are not JBee I was talking about.

 

[JBee]

You…. YOU personally care about battery.

The truck makes sense to YOU. (It also makes sense to me, but for different reasons)

The question was “Why would people (It wasn’t why would JBee) buy a Model Y…”. There are several tens of millions of potential Model Y buyers who are not YOU who don’t give a rats ass about battery size, they care about going from point A to point B quickly, being able to find parking, and charging up quicker.

It’s those 10s of millions of people who are not JBee I was talking about.

That went to a personal attack pretty quickly. Not having a good day?

I was providing further weight to the OP's argument, that it is questionable why people should buy a MY over a CT.

In fact on all counts a CT provides better value. The reasons for making a car purchase is not solely based on value though, it includes looks, driving feel and confidence in maneuvering etc. But these are subjective not factual attributes of value. Size, weight, turning circle, battery size, range, payload, seating capacity etc are.

Also a larger pack will have better range in urban driving than advertised, where the aero losses are less significant than at highway speeds where, a poorer Cd and larger cross sectional area matter. Also a larger pack can add miles faster than a smaller one. This is in addition to battery pack type which you have failed to specify in your comparison. SC are also being upgraded to 300kW and beyond which means they won't be the bottleneck for charging larger packs. Any CT with 4680's will most definitely add more miles than a MY with 2170s regardless.

Besides, provide some proof that I am the only one that thinks this way. Prove that it charges quicker because it has a smaller battery? How many Teslas are there, and how many buyers do you know? How many of those don't care? Where is this data? You know what they they say about assumptions.

Fact is you aren't quite as special as you think you are, if you seriously think that you are the only one who knows how big the battery in the car is, or exactly how most think. Leave egos at the door please.

No need to exaggerate either. 10's millions that are not me?

Are you saying that I am really that special? Thx!

 

[Crissa]

That went to a personal attack pretty quickly. Not having a good day?

That's not a personal attack.

-Crissa

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