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  1. Canceling FSD

    OP, like you, I'm seriously considering not getting FSD. I'm just having a hard time with paying so much for a feature that likely won't be road legal nation-wide (and, even if it is road legal, I'm concerned with how it will react to reckless drivers in a time where the overwhelming majority...
  2. Is the additional range from the single motor to the dual worth $10k?

    I'm curious to know if the single motor will actually ever get to production. Or if it'll go the way of the $35,000 base Model 3. Note, while range did factor into my decision to pre-order the dual vs single motor (though when I think about it, Tesla always seems to be increasing its range...
  3. Cybertruck vs Hummer EV

    That's another thing. Will this truck have regular over the air updates like Teslas have? And I still remain skeptical of any Even outside of all of that, I always come back to fast charging infrastructure. Until there is a solid non-Tesla fast charging infrastructure around the country, I...
  4. FSD will get $2k price increase 10/29

    Tesla also has to be careful to not make this feature one only for the well off. That said, with the planned $25,000 vehicle, FSD for $10,000 doesn't put such a car too much out of range for many.
  5. Cybertruck vs Hummer EV

    Even if I was undecided about which EV pickup to get, I could never get behind that price.
  6. FSD will get $2k price increase 10/29

    Agreed. But if it really works as intended, it'll be money well spent and make the driving experience so much better and safer. While I had planned to cancel the FSD (and still am not 100% sold on going through with the purchase in general, though I'm not leaning more toward buying since many...
  7. Does everyone believe FSD will be viable in the next 3 years? 5 years? 10 years?

    It's a mixed bag. Some states have passed legislation explicitly authorizing autonomous driving; thus, autonomous driving is legal in those states. Other states have only created committees to study and it you still need to have someone driving the vehicle for driving to be legal. Here's an...
  8. Does everyone believe FSD will be viable in the next 3 years? 5 years? 10 years?

    Good news! I am still skeptical of a nationwide adoption; I think we are likely to see a city by city approach in the interim for a few cities, but very skeptical of a nationwide adoption. That said, I hope I'm wrong. And even if I'm not wrong, I'm seriously rethinking canceling the FSD option...
  9. Does everyone believe FSD will be viable in the next 3 years? 5 years? 10 years?

    Viable from a functionality perspective? I can see that in the next 5 years. Whether FSD will be generally road legal in that timeframe is another story, and I'd bet that it wouldn't be. This is a big reason why I will almost certainly be canceling my FSD option. I can't justify paying $7,000...
  10. Salvage Titles and Supercharging

    Ok. It is clear we aren't seeing eye to eye on things here, and that's fine. No need to keep beating a dead horse on an issue that has nothing to do with the thread.
  11. Salvage Titles and Supercharging

    Look, what you're saying makes sense conceptually. I've just called for something other than an explanation of how manufacturers have worked the process for EV models on the market today. And, rather, something that shows that this is actually necessary based on the fundamentals of EV...
  12. Salvage Titles and Supercharging

    Thanks for that. My question remains whether it is possible to just plug in and turn on (i.e. whether software is required as a matter of course for EV charging) or whether these protocols/standards are set up in a way to require software. I fully understand why manufacturers, etc. require the...
  13. Salvage Titles and Supercharging

    Thanks, Crissa. This isn't slip and fall law . And that's now how general civil liability works and is not how products liability law works specifically; I already discussed the standards in previous posts. Tesla can deal with any potential issue by an aggressive waiver policy. It would only...
  14. Salvage Titles and Supercharging

    You're changing the goal post now. You stated earlier that the allowing for such charging for salvage title vehicles would lead to more costly litigation. That is not the case. Tesla doesn't need to hire any more people/pay anything it isn't paying (you're overstating the amount of legal work...
  15. Salvage Titles and Supercharging

    Nobody is having nightmares about anything, but thanks. Also, citations would be greatly appreciated in order to look into the status of a particular case. Frivolous lawsuits are filed all of the time and are dismissed on summary judgment motions all of the time (meaning that they don't even go...
  16. Salvage Titles and Supercharging

    Thanks, Crissa! Are you referring to case law specific to California? If so, do you have any examples to provide? Based on my knowledge of products liability law today (and I note that legislation/constitutional amendments supersedes case law all of the time, so you'd have to check to see...
  17. Salvage Titles and Supercharging

    It doesn't really help me, no. It explains better how EV charging works and how Tesla and other companies use software as part of the charging process. It does not explain to me whether this software is necessary as a matter of course with EV charging. In short, I get how EV manufacturers have...
  18. Salvage Titles and Supercharging

    You haven't made it clear, no. You've explained how Tesla uses its software for the charging process. You have not proven that the software is necessary for a Tesla vehicle to charge as a matter of course. But I'm open to being convinced. But, note, even if this was the case, this wouldn't take...
  19. Salvage Titles and Supercharging

    Except that's not how all cars get a salvage title from what I'm reading. If it was, I'd have zero concern. The process for getting a salvage title differs by state. And, in some instances, the damage can be cosmetic, with no damage to the battery pack (in the case of an EV). Simply put...
  20. Salvage Titles and Supercharging

    Thanks! Those really aren't analogous to the situation here, though, and Tesla does and could draft much stronger language to shield itself from liability. I also note that the state of the law/legislation has changed over the past several decades making such suits less likely. For instance, not...


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