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I wish they would forget about trying to control what customers can do after they have bought it -- get rid of the resell agreement.

Yet I also want them to not let too many scalpers in the line. My preferred solution would be to limit multiple trucks to the same person or account.

Your first truck is available to you when you reach the front of the line. Subsequent reservations to the same person then have a waiting period. You can't buy another one for some period of time -- I would put it at 12 months.

You might have a few scalpers sell one truck, but they won't have access to another one to scalp for at least 6 months ( or whatever term Tesla sets for subsequent purchase).

I see multiple advantages to this. Tesla does not have to try to pursue anybody. It is probably easy for Tesla to keep track of who has purchased a truck. As a corallary, you should not be able to transfer you reservations.


Does this stop scalping -- no -- but it does greatly limit the scalping. Yet it also allows people to do what they want or what their life circumstances say should happen without Tesla having to worry about it.
It all boils down to freedom. I am sick of the "nanny state karens" that want to stick their nose into other peoples business. Like the kids in pre-school that had melt downs when the other kid got a bigger scoop of mashed potatoes at lunch which they really did not like but were just triggered anyway.
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As mentioned above it's still partially there in the third paragraph, so all this shows is there are various versions of an MVPA out there, which we already knew long before this thread. Discussing it intensively as if it's somehow written in stone is pointless. Tesla has the option to make each and every MVPA different if they wanted as it's up to the buyer to read, accept, and sign it.

Fact is, no one has seen an MVPA for an actual delivered production Cybertruck yet, so this is really all premature hype and speculation.

FWIW, I'm for any MVPA language that deters scalping, or protects service integrity for original genuine buyers.

When someone has an actual delivered Cybertruck MVPA and wants to post it, then maybe that's worth discussion. Throwing old copies of other MVPAs around right now is really pointless.

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It all boils down to freedom.
Exactly! Freedom to sell the products you develop to the end user, not profiteers. Freedom for Cybertruck buyers to not have to compete with scalpers. Freedom for Tesla to make the Cybertruck affordable without creating a secondary market driving real prices much higher.

And most importantly:

Freedom for consenting adults to enter into contracts that benefit both parties and the freedom to decline to enter into contracts that one does not think is beneficial to them.

The freedom to say "No, I don't want to take delivery of a Cybertruck if the terms of sale are not to my liking."

Exercise your freedoms freely!
 
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Throwing old copies of other MVPAs around right now is really pointless.
they aren’t “old copies”

they are what Tesla has posted on its website, currently, for demonstrating terms of purchase


Fact is, no one has seen an actual MVPA for an actual delivered production Cybertruck yet, so this is really all premature hype and speculation.
there’s not a single person confused about that

the word “speculation” is trotted out super conveniently around here

basically, when it’s “speculation” about things a certain sub-set find favorable (eg f’n ‘boat mode’) it’s all “hey we’re just asking here!”

but when it’s “speculation” around something that same sub-set finds objectionable, it’s all “speculation is for idiots”

I’m not pointing that directly at you, but instead hoping you dont error further that direction


FWIW, I'm for any MVPA language that deters scalping, or protects service integrity for original genuine buyers.
save for true scalpers (few if any on this forum), nobody disagrees with this statement

disagreement, instead, is about what actually is effective all things considered at deterring scalpers

case in point: Tesla could fatally deter scalpers by never releasing the Cybertruck. Doesn’t seem like a good strategy, though


As mentioned above it's still partially there in the third paragraph, so all this shows is there are various versions of an MVPA out there,
I think you’re confusing two different documents? The $100 deposit agreement language, vs the singular document on Tesla’s website presently?
 

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What have you seen that gives Cybertruck buyers the right to flip them? In fact, it says you don't have that right. And where do you think the Cybertruck specific language came from?

That's right, from a purchase/sales form designed to apply to the Cybertruck.

Wanna-be flippers and scalpers can read it and weep!
 


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frankly i do not care either way, but i am a little sadned by this..
 

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they aren’t “old copies”

they are what Tesla has posted on its website, currently, for demonstrating terms of purchase
If that's true I'm sure you meant to provide the actual links.

Regardless, any 'representative' sample means nothing. Each MVPA a buyer receives could be unique and the buyer is responsible for reading and acceptance of it's terms if they sign it.

When formalizing a purchase, the buyer is signing what's given to them, not some sample generic 'representative' copy on a website. So we still don't have any real copies of anyone's MVPA for a delivered Cybertruck. So until then all the brew ha ha is still based on conjecture and speculation.

The manipulative MSM loves these kinds of sheep and pastures.

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Regardless, any 'representative' sample means nothing. Each MVPA a buyer receives could be unique and the buyer is responsible for reading and acceptance of it's terms if they sign it.
did anyone say otherwise? Relevance?


When formalizing a purchase, the buyer is signing what's given to them, not some sample generic 'representative' copy on a website.
did anyone say otherwise? Relevance?


So we still don't have any real copies of anyone's MVPA for a delivered Cybertruck.
did anyone say otherwise? Relevance?


So until then all the brew ha ha is still based on conjecture and speculation.
you went and leaned right into it anyways!


The manipulative MSM loves these kinds of sheep and pastures.
always good to just close out with an anti-MSM comment

regardless if relevant, really fires up the base!
 


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If that's true I'm sure you meant to provide the actual links.
https://www.tesla.com/order/download-order-agreement

It’s where one is directed if they enter credit card information to execute a purchase from the website

Tesla Cybertruck ⛔️ NO RESALE language REMOVED for Cybertruck sales agreement! ✏️ 📄 28F1842A-9173-4E77-87A7-7C7D2070132E


The prior version with the expanded no resale provision used to be there.

Now it’s gone.

Sort of the thread’s point (though already raised and discussed at length in the *other* thread on this topic).
 

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did anyone say otherwise? Relevance?




did anyone say otherwise? Relevance?




did anyone say otherwise? Relevance?




you went and leaned right into it anyways!




always good to just close out with an anti-MSM comment

regardless if relevant, really fires up the base!
The responses to your post are clearly 'relevant', or you would've left them alone. In each case you were the one saying otherwise. As for the MSM, they're already reporting on this topic as well, so that is relevant as well, because they're going to twist it and manipulate it to suit their advertising interests. Oh, and I don't have a base as I've got a lot less posts and responses on this forum than many others. I'm just calling it how I see it.

I'm also free to make irrelevant comments if I want to as well, so I don't subscribe to stigmatization attempts based on word twisting games or syntax.

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