123 kWh battery pack on Cybertruck (reported)

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I wonder what Tesla's actual cost would be to increase the battery from 123kw to 180kw+ to achieve 500 miles of range.
$100 per KWhr is probably a decent figure for Tesla. So not too much. The problem is the space and weight.
 

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Spot on. Anybody think the Tesla accessories team will reveal a powered trailer or back pack battery in the works?
They have enough on their plate to get into trailers. Airstream is working on one and I'm sure others will too.

If trailer companies need components, I rather see a partnership with multiple trailer companies to provide packs and motors at some point down the line (when supply allows).
 

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$100 per KWhr is probably a decent figure for Tesla. So not too much. The problem is the space and weight.
If you factor in the IRA battery manufacturer credit, its might be even less than $100/kWh. I think they will need a Gen3 or Gen4 4680 to get the energy density to make the 500 mile pack possible.

If they want the 3500 payload and >14k towing, they will need a higher GVWR class. Pack weight will probably be about 1000 lbs heavier. I wonder what the giga castings and air suspension would need to support the additional weight? This is also assuming they have the volume for it.
 


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They have enough on their plate to get into trailers. Airstream is working on one and I'm sure others will too.

If trailer companies need components, I rather see a partnership with multiple trailer companies to provide packs and motors at some point down the line (when supply allows).
You may be right. At the minimum I hope Tesla supports 3rd party powered trailer interface with their software and trailer plug.
 

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If you factor in the IRA battery manufacturer credit, its might be even less than $100/kWh. I think they will need a Gen3 or Gen4 4680 to get the energy density to make the 500 mile pack possible.

If they want the 3500 payload and >14k towing, they will need a higher GVWR class. Pack weight will probably be about 1000 lbs heavier. I wonder what the giga castings and air suspension would need to support the additional weight? This is also assuming they have the volume for it.
There was a decent article in Forbes on a start up which claimed a 40% energy density improvement from today's Lithium Ion tech. Some type of sponge lithium and improved electrolyte. I usually discount such articles as fUD. "keep waiting don't buy now" but it sounded more plausible than most. Assuming the same volume to work with they would be approaching 172kWhrs. They are still 2 years out for any volume and I am not sure if this translated into cylindrical formats.

I have said for a while now ; "the space is fixed". It is about filling it with the best battery. Fast charge times, a better network, and maybe power assist options will have to fill the void for now.
 

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$100 per KWh is probably a decent figure for Tesla. So not too much. The problem is the space and weight.
You have to add the IRA credit, US government pays Tesla $45/kWh of 4680 manufactured and assembled into a pack

For 123 kWh, even being pessimistic and assuming 120 $/kWh, the true cost for Tesla is 75 $/kWh, or $9225 for the cells in the pack

If we assume the 500 miles version will be around 180 kWh, it would cost $13500

But, last stated goal of Tesla, hopefully in a year or so was the 4680 cost decline to 70 $/kWh, or 30 $/kWh, to 123 kWh pack becomes $3700 and the 180 kWh $5400, this is dirt cheap compared to what other EV makers pay on their packs
 

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Embarrassing. Zero reason not to put a larger pack, especially with $ per Kw being at the lowest in history. In terms of range, Tesla will already be behind the current competition.
Tesla Cybertruck 123 kWh battery pack on Cybertruck (reported) 1701056286717
 

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They have enough on their plate to get into trailers. Airstream is working on one and I'm sure others will too.

If trailer companies need components, I rather see a partnership with multiple trailer companies to provide packs and motors at some point down the line (when supply allows).
The only current problem is, how do you get the electrons from the trailer to the CT? There is only one charging port. And you can’t charge while you drive. Now, CAN they make changes to a cable to sit somewhat flush along the side, and a software change to allow the charging? Maybe. But I can also think of a bunch of reasons it is a huge hurdle.

Batteries are the huge expense, motors, not so much. So if you’re going to put batteries in the trailer, why not put a motor in there too? Pressure sensors in the hitch connection could mange the power/drag delivery. No real mods needed for the truck. And you have eliminated the “towing penalty”.
 


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The only current problem is, how do you get the electrons from the trailer to the CT? There is only one charging port. And you can’t charge while you drive. Now, CAN they make changes to a cable to sit somewhat flush along the side, and a software change to allow the charging? Maybe. But I can also think of a bunch of reasons it is a huge hurdle.

Batteries are the huge expense, motors, not so much. So if you’re going to put batteries in the trailer, why not put a motor in there too? Pressure sensors in the hitch connection could mange the power/drag delivery. No real mods needed for the truck. And you have eliminated the “towing penalty”.
I dont think "juice" needs to move from the trailer to the vehicle. There is a reason I put packs and motors in my post. They would probably need a comm line to control the trailer motors, pack and sensors.

When trailers are not on the road, they could be hooked up to homes as powerwalls.
 

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There are way too many people in this board going through mental gymnastics to convince everyone else that 300 miles of range is “all you need”. I’m starting to believe you work for Tesla and are trying to push an agenda ;) . Can you just stop preaching, and understand that we’ve got different needs.
nobody said you didn’t have other needs

only explaining why Tesla doesn’t seem to care

So, respectfully, know that from *our* perspective it seems a lot less like us “preaching” to *you,*and instead you complaining to *us* about something you’re upset at Tesla about


would have to stop once and add 20 minutes to that trip. I’ve done this in my model Y and it’s comparatively very inconvenient.
Very?


Range anxiety is real.
Arachnophobia is real, too. 🤷🏻‍♂️


I don’t like having to plan out trips with my model y.

using a supercharger from my home isn’t very convenient if I forget to plug in
bundles and bundles of, objectively,minor inconveniences don’t appear to cause Tesla to agree they should build and try and sell such a vehicle

not yet, anyway

 

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The original Tri motor with 500 miles of range was 40% more than the dual with 300 miles of range. What makes you think it will now be a 100% pricing difference?
Yes, most people would consider 70k approximately twice 40k.

The only current problem is, how do you get the electrons from the trailer to the CT? There is only one charging port.
If you're modifying a trailer, why can't you modify the truck?

Gas stations will eventually become scarce. But even if ICE sales stopped today, there are millions of such vehicles on the road with an average lifespan of 12 years.
Gas stations are expensive to keep running and those underground tanks are getting expensive to certify. And super expensive to replace. More edge case stations will just close up and disappear.

-Crissa
 

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bundles and bundles of, objectively,minor inconveniences don’t appear to cause Tesla to agree they should build and try and sell such a vehicle

They already announced that they were selling a 500 mile range cybertruck.

In your quote he was talking about a car not a truck, with different sizes and use cases….

We shall see what they care about in a few days.

My guess is that you don’t know as much as you claim to know.
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