Anyone else shake their head when the other manufactures talk about tech?

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When I see tv commercials from other car makers and they talk about how advanced they are, I just shake my head and wonder how many people are impressed with these advanced features?
I mean they show a blind spot monitor, talk about all the driving modes, and show the vehicle going down a dusty well maintained road and bag about its capabilities.
I can just imagine how peoples minds would be blown if Tesla advertised and showed what real tech advancement looks like. But I am also happy they don't, I feel like I have a secret and when I show people my CT I will be the one who gets to blow their minds.
It just makes me laugh I wondered if others felt the same
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I just watched Sandy Mubro’s initial inspection of the VW ID.4 and was not impressed. The FRUNK has zero storage. Fuses and more fuses instead of Tesla’s self-resetting breakers. Hidden firefighter emergency police cords and more.

The competition has a long way to go.
 

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When I see tv commercials from other car makers and they talk about how advanced they are, I just shake my head and wonder how many people are impressed with these advanced features?
I mean they show a blind spot monitor, talk about all the driving modes, and show the vehicle going down a dusty well maintained road and bag about its capabilities.
I can just imagine how peoples minds would be blown if Tesla advertised and showed what real tech advancement looks like. But I am also happy they don't, I feel like I have a secret and when I show people my CT I will be the one who gets to blow their minds.
It just makes me laugh I wondered if others felt the same
Totally.
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As I see it, the other car companies are trying desperately to appear relevant as they try to figure out how to invest in electromobility and what to do with their archaic stranded assets (ICE production). Unfortunately most want to continue to pump out high margin gas guzzlers rather than embrace the revolution.
I think several will fail.
 
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Its pretty sad when you think about it. The cars of the 70's and 80's were complete garbage. Imports showed up that were more reliable and the big 3 had to step up quality. I live in Rochester, the home of Kodak and Xerox. They would invent tech, patent it so other companies couldn't use it, and continue to sell the old tech they built their empires on.
The traditional car manufactures have been asleep at the wheel (lol) for a long time now. It will be interesting to see how fast they catch up.
 


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The traditional car manufactures have been asleep at the wheel (lol) for a long time now. It will be interesting to see how fast they catch up.
That is IF they can catch up.
 

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I just bought a 2021 Prius Prime for work (hey sorry my CT isn’t ready yet.) The car is loaded with all sorts of tech: adaptive cruise control, lane keeping, Apple CarPlay, loads of energy saving systems, etc. But it all feels so clunky. Non-intuitive. The closest description I can think of is it’s like going back and playing a 20-year-old video game. Nothing feels like it should. When I get in the Model Y it’s like a breath of fresh air.

The cruise control follows nicely and will bring you to a stop, but you have to tell it to go when the car in front of you goes.

The lane keeping is surprisingly good, except it continually moves the car ever so slightly right and left in the lane. Like ping pong.

CarPlay is cool, but I have to plug my phone in to use it.

You get the idea. The interface feels and looks like a Super Nintendo game.
Tesla Cybertruck Anyone else shake their head when the other manufactures talk about tech? Toyota-Prius-Prime-2017-05


But hey, I'm getting about 90mpg on this hog.
 
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Its pretty sad when you think about it. The cars of the 70's and 80's were complete garbage. Imports showed up that were more reliable and the big 3 had to step up quality. I live in Rochester, the home of Kodak and Xerox. They would invent tech, patent it so other companies couldn't use it, and continue to sell the old tech they built their empires on.
The traditional car manufactures have been asleep at the wheel (lol) for a long time now. It will be interesting to see how fast they catch up.
I think the "Big 3" need to collapse completely before they can be restructured into a competitive alternative to Tesla. Three things need to be eliminated if they are become viable;

1) Dealership networks are entrenched by law and inflict maximum pain on the customer as a business model.

2) Parts suppliers stifle innovation by contractually locking out improvements.

3) The autoworkers union (also entrenched by law) disallows innovation by forcing the companies to continue inefficient production practices.
 

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3) The autoworkers union (also entrenched by law) disallows innovation by forcing the companies to continue inefficient production practices.
There's no evidence for this one.

Management which can't use and partner with their workers is going to be bad, union or no.

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There's no evidence for this one.

Management which can't use and partner with their workers is going to be bad, union or no.

-Crissa
I disagree. So does Elon.
 


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I disagree. So does Elon.
I disagree.

Elon works to make Tesla a place people want to work at. For instance, during the shutdown, they paid their workers and not their execs where they could. The pay at Tesla is more than competitive. Amazon pays high (for the job) and still has high churn. Tesla doesn't have that problem.

Yes, Elon doesn't think there needs to be a union. But he also thinks the company needs to partner with their workers.

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I disagree.

Elon works to make Tesla a place people want to work at. For instance, during the shutdown, they paid their workers and not their execs where they could. The pay at Tesla is more than competitive. Amazon pays high (for the job) and still has high churn. Tesla doesn't have that problem.

Yes, Elon doesn't think there needs to be a union. But he also thinks the company needs to partner with their workers.

-Crissa
Happy employees are great. Partnering with your employees is wonderful. Unions are bad for business.
 

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Ugh, my old-man-dad sent me a link to Consumer Report Reliability score for Tesla... spoiler alert... they rate Tesla reliability one of the worst. :eek: Based on some annual reader survey? I call B.S. unless I can see the data.
The cherry on top is how they describe the upcoming EV trucks. Just burns my bread! #breathe#breathe
Tesla Cybertruck Anyone else shake their head when the other manufactures talk about tech? 20210414_095105
 

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Ugh, my old-man-dad sent me a link to Consumer Report Reliability score for Tesla... spoiler alert... they rate Tesla reliability one of the worst. :eek: Based on some annual reader survey? I call B.S. unless I can see the data.
The cherry on top is how they describe the upcoming EV trucks. Just burns my bread! #breathe#breathe
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There are so many things wrong with this article.

Interesting that
The details here are for starting-price models.
but for instance, the Hummer price is for the starting-price model while the on-sale date is for the initial special high-end model. The starting-price model isn't coming till years later and with no where near the functionality of the advertised initial release.

Then the
Cybertruck is mostly concept. Tesla has not yet revealed its final market-ready form.
This is even though there have been multiple prototypes built, journalists were able to ride in them on the night of the unveiling, the general public was allowed to ogle it at the Peterson Auto Museum, we have multiple people with nearly daily drone footage of the factory being built, and partner companies have made multiple announcements of developments (8000 ton casting machine anyone?) for the Cybertruck. In comparison, the F-150 has barely a press release, no specs, no design renders, and no prototype. Somehow though,
it's reasonable to predict towing capacity and range that will rival other electric pickups.
It is? How is that reasonable? It's reasonable to assume that if the specs don't rival others that the F-150 will fail miserably. But the biggest differentiator is going to be battery tech and Ford doesn't have any proven superiority on that front. In fact, from what I've read, the Mustang Mach-E has disappointing specs. So if the F-150 doesn't step up the game considerably the prediction in the article will be absolute bunk.

Looking at the comments about the Rivian, the starting price is listed as $67,500 but it is
aimed at well-heeled adventurers
Really. So what is the $79,995 Hummer? And what price point do you predict the F-150 will come in at? If the specs are going to rival the Rivian or the Cybertruck, my prediction is that the F-150 price will rival that of the Hummer.

But hey, what do I know. I'm not backed by the leading consumer testing organization.
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