Autoline: Has Cybertruck Changed Pickup Design?

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No. No it hasn't. And I have no concept of why they thought it would.
It may impact production and engineering, but the design of the Cyber isn't going to be mirrored.
It isn't even a "truck."
 

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No. No it hasn't. And I have no concept of why they thought it would.
It may impact production and engineering, but the design of the Cyber isn't going to be mirrored.
It isn't even a "truck."
I don't think you really know how frantic other truckmakers are. They are scrambling to convince people that they have a better product (they don't). We have seen EV startups and major companies copying Tesla for years. It would be ridiculous to say that the cybertruck won't do the same. The Cybertruck is so outlandish that it's going to go down in history as a really iconic product, like the iPhone. Also, How is it not a truck? It has the same dimensions and a bed. According to google, A truck is a motor vehicle designed to carry cargo, And the Cybertruck has a bed for cargo, which is even better at carrying cargo than a lot of other trucks.
 

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I don't think you really know how frantic other truckmakers are. They are scrambling to convince people that they have a better product (they don't). We have seen EV startups and major companies copying Tesla for years. It would be ridiculous to say that the cybertruck won't do the same. The Cybertruck is so outlandish that it's going to go down in history as a really iconic product, like the iPhone. Also, How is it not a truck? It has the same dimensions and a bed. According to google, A truck is a motor vehicle designed to carry cargo, And the Cybertruck has a bed for cargo, which is even better at carrying cargo than a lot of other trucks.
Totally agree. There's no less than 6-7 EV pickups announced (Cybertruck, Rivian, Hummer, F-150, Nikola, Lordstown) and every one of them besides the Cybertruck is going to look more or less like a traditional truck. Guaranteed the other companies are looking at each other thinking oh no how are we going to stand out among this group when there's the Cybertruck to compete with and our vehicle looks like a traditional truck just like the others.
 

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I don't think you really know how frantic other truckmakers are. They are scrambling to convince people that they have a better product (they don't). We have seen EV startups and major companies copying Tesla for years. It would be ridiculous to say that the cybertruck won't do the same. The Cybertruck is so outlandish that it's going to go down in history as a really iconic product, like the iPhone. Also, How is it not a truck? It has the same dimensions and a bed. According to google, A truck is a motor vehicle designed to carry cargo, And the Cybertruck has a bed for cargo, which is even better at carrying cargo than a lot of other trucks.
"Design" and "engineer" are not interchangeable per Biggee Ee. I did not think there was much of a difference till he made me reflect on the two words.
Engineering involves making something that does or accomplishes a specific task.
Designing is deciding on how to build a product as to how it will be perceived by the senses, and interact with the body.
The engineering of the Cyber was the priority. The design is the silly crap that is about as important as the color of the steering wheel. Elon "engineered" the damn thing to be great, and then got stupid playing with the design. It will be a long time before a pick-up truck manufacturer emulates this "design", and even longer before they properly engineer a vehicle.
And it isn't a truck. Elon admits as much without actually telling the boys that identify as being "Truck men." He even refrains from calling the space under the rolldown door a "bed." He refers to it as a "vault."
As to your application of the Google definition of a "truck." It was "designed" to do many things.... almost the least of which is to carry cargo. By Google's definition a three wheel Cushman mail carrier from the 1960's is more of a truck than the Cyber. less than 10% of the people are buying to carry cargo. And of those less than half will actually use it for that purpose more than half the time.
Elon refers toit as "Something other than a truck", as a suburban "armored personnel carrier", and a "tank."
To call it a "truck" denigrates it.
Elon's marketing team set out to attract the people that buy a pick-up by building a utility vehicle above all else. Adding "truck" to the name was done to hook the truck people into buying it. By doing so he calmed their fears of being to odd in their communities. They can call it a "truck." And by doing so retain a bit of sanity in their grand pappy's eyes.
 

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From GlassDoor: Design Engineer salaries at Tesla can range from $71,668 - $134,697. So what do these guys do?
 

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CT has definitely changed perspective of EV’s as a whole. When you think so far outside of the box, that you make your own box, you changed the traditional idea of design.
 
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It's going to change the game forever. I can't look at a truck now without thinking...'yeah, but does it have an invincible metal skin?''
 
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No. No it hasn't. And I have no concept of why they thought it would.
It may impact production and engineering, but the design of the Cyber isn't going to be mirrored.
It isn't even a "truck."
What? Why is it not a truck? I'm a truck guy and it can do anything any of my trucks can do a bunch of crap it can't.
 

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What? Why is it not a truck? I'm a truck guy and it can do anything any of my trucks can do a bunch of crap it can't.
By using your reasoning it is a car because "it can do anything any of my cars can do (sic) a bunch of crap it(sic) can't."
The "focus" of the vehicle should be its intended purpose(s). The "vault" is an afterthought both from design, and what it will be used as by the vast majority of users.
Most of the Pick-up trucks driven today aren't purchased because the buyer wants to "truck" stuff. Most trucks are purchased so a guy can be up high, in a mainly enclosed glass/see-through command center as he goes down the road. And he can be seen as being an active member of society with unlimited potential to "git er done."
As I sit here typing and I think of the "trucks" in my neighborhood that are work trucks I envision a 30 yr old rust bucket on its third owner. It has a lawn mower or a concrete patina, smokes, and has a taillight out. Only then has it devolved into a "working" truck. However most trucks only look like trucks, and aren't ever used to haul except maybe the grandkid's bikes when they come over for a spend the weekend.
So when even the recognizable form of what a truck looks like is removed it no longer even looks like a truck, and definitely doesn't do the work of a truck. And is not purchased to be JUST a truck.
And that brings me back to what you said, and I concur to even a greater degree... The Cyber main focus was NOT to create a truck. It was to create a multi-use non-car, non-truck vehicle that is tough and capable to do it all.
It simply is a stylish, low-maintenance, durable, utility vehicle designed to comfortably and fashionably meet the needs of most people.
It's body form was not created to be a truck. It just happens to be able to do some hauling because it has a rolling roof cover over the vault/bed/trunk.
It's form is that of an Azteca. And its use by the vast majority will be that of a car....with a cool trunk.
 

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No. No it hasn't. And I have no concept of why they thought it would.
It may impact production and engineering, but the design of the Cyber isn't going to be mirrored.
It isn't even a "truck."
Luke,
I’ve been reading your arguments about CT not being a truck for a while now. I’ve started to see several of the points you’re making.
The CT stands alone in many ways and for many reasons. Keep making us rethink the concept.

I do want to point out one of the reasons for calling it a truck.

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Luke,
I’ve been reading your arguments about CT not being a truck for a while now. I’ve started to see several of the points you’re making.
The CT stands alone in many ways and for many reasons. Keep making us rethink the concept.

I do want to point out one of the reasons for calling it a truck.

Badass One
is not media friendly.
Yep 50 years ago a truck was indeed a truck by vocation.
As I look back on it and my upbringing in Alabama if you got in a truck you were gonna either work your ass off, or go hunting. Otherwise you got in a car...
Unless you were dirt poor and only had a truck... And then it got me thinking...
When I was a kid being country was not cool. Whether it was being bonafide country, or just living outside the city. Country music was even less cool. But then Country folk were able to become proud of what they were. or at least create a culture, mainly through music where being a redneck meant you were better than anyone else. You worked harder, partied with no regrets, had purtier wimmen, better liquor, and a dogyou loved. People that weren't rednecks started calling themselves redneck. When I was young there was one way to get a redneck to light yer ass up. And that was to call him a redneck. I think country music made being a redneck cool. It took the fire out of the word.
As a sidebar when "the n-word" was becoming common in rap music I felt like it was very cool. I thought the black community was going to accomplish the same thing the rednecks did, and take the sting out of the word. But oh hell no. Just as "the n-word" started becoming ok to say people like Al Sharpton and Oprah stepped in and kept the word "holy." They did a great injustice to the black community. It seems to be a mindset of a sub-culture within African Americans. And it ain't right or intelligent. Those that make sure words of hate have power over them are not mature or self-actualized. In other words, I should avoid them. And I do. There is only one negative racial thought that I have concerning blacks, and it is I am afraid I'll say something that they will latch onto and make it an issue when it isn't.
Now before I go further, and I waited this long to share this... My wife is as black as black can get. Thank god she isn't African American though. She's straight out of Africa. Her name even means "The first born after twins." In her culture twins are able to put all the other family members under their spell except the first child born after them. Her name is Kizza. If she was a male child born right after twins it'd be something different. And now that you have that image starting to form about her consider this. Two years ago she got her Doctorate from Florida Institute of Technology in Stochastics. Yeah. Her job is predicting 6 months in advance the needs of a fortune 500 company. She's a nerd.
But back to the whole truck thing.... So trucks were trucks when they were mainly used as trucks. And then they were adopted by the mainstream, and NOT used as trucks but they looked like trucks so they were still called trucks.
And now we have a vehicle that neither looks or acts or is used as a truck. So it is not a truck except by name.... by that logic my current truck, a 2008 Dodge Ram 5.7 liter hemi is a male sheep or goat... and evidently a studly one as it is the "Big Horn" rendition.

The people at Tesla aren't all mini-elons, some of em are terrible people that think of ways to manipulate the truth to influence buyers. They have polite names like Salesmen, advertising agents, strategists, public relations specialists. The real name for em is "liars". They are deceitful for financial gain. And you can bet your TSLA stock one of them thought up the name "CyberTruck," solely to influence the large percentage of automobile owners who like trucks.
The use of the word "truck" in Cybertruck is so the vehicle will be recognised as a known accepted entity. If they had not officially named it "truck," and by that I mean include the word "TRUCK" in its registered name, then the vehicle would be so far out of what anyone understands a truck to be that it would have been psychologically-dismissed by the public, and become a failure in marketing.

I love it, but as I will continually say, "It ain't a truck." If you believe it is then the sales team was successful.
 
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What? Why is it not a truck?
Of course it's a truck. Don't be silly. The only reason I'm even responding to such a ridiculous thread is that I had lunch with colleagues yesterday (I'm retired) and we started talking about classification algorithms such as those used in the autopilot and the parallels between what it does and what we do when we call something a truck or a duck or a ruttabagga are many. I guess that's why the central part of the autopilot is called a "neural network". In any case things have features. To classify something we look at features. Some features are more powerful than others for classifying and the classifier uses that fact (human or machine) to make the highest level decision as to what something is and, with respect to language, name it. A truck is a wheeled conveyance designed to carry a load. Thus anything which can do that is a truck. But truck is a broad classification so we use less powerful features (eigenvectors) such as the nature of the load to refine and in some cases move the object to another class. A bus has the "truck eigenvector" but if the load is primarily people we reject the conveyance from the class of trucks. But if the load is anything else we can use load or purpose eignenfuctions it to refine our classification hence delivery truck, garbage truck, refreshment truck, hand truck, Cyber Truck and finally because it's the most interesting Semi Truck, That's interesting in this context because of examples listed the Semi Truck isn't a truck at all. It is missing the critical eigenfuction (feature) of a truck: it is not designed to carry a load. It is designed to pull a conveyance designed carry a load. It is a tractor.
 

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Of course it's a truck. Don't be silly. The only reason I'm even responding to such a ridiculous thread is that I had lunch with colleagues yesterday (I'm retired) and we started talking about classification algorithms such as those used in the autopilot and the parallels between what it does and what we do when we call something a truck or a duck or a ruttabagga are many. I guess that's why the central part of the autopilot is called a "neural network". In any case things have features. To classify something we look at features. Some features are more powerful than others for classifying and the classifier uses that fact (human or machine) to make the highest level decision as to what something is and, with respect to language, name it. A truck is a wheeled conveyance designed to carry a load. Thus anything which can do that is a truck. But truck is a broad classification so we use less powerful features (eigenvectors) such as the nature of the load to refine and in some cases move the object to another class. A bus has the "truck eigenvector" but if the load is primarily people we reject the conveyance from the class of trucks. But if the load is anything else we can use load or purpose eignenfuctions it to refine our classification hence delivery truck, garbage truck, refreshment truck, hand truck, Cyber Truck and finally because it's the most interesting Semi Truck, That's interesting in this context because of examples listed the Semi Truck isn't a truck at all. It is missing the critical eigenfuction (feature) of a truck: it is not designed to carry a load. It is designed to pull a conveyance designed carry a load. It is a tractor.
Aj,
Well said and can’t be argued. Not with s solid argument anyway.
Don’t forget I’m a pro at contradiction. With that said, my logic has difficulty labeling with one definition. How can we label something with a singular meaning when , that thing, has multiple meanings and uses.
Defining is limiting and contains the very freedom the CT represents to me.

You get points for using eigenfunction in a sentence!!! Ha ha
 
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