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Would be very disappointing if there is not an event and delivery of some sort in September.
The headline would read “another miss/delay”

🤞 that the positive momentum we’ve seen (CTs rolling around everywhere and coming out in numbers ) continues.

at this point a bit longer on deliveries is fine for me personally, but I really hope the specs on range, price, and performance deliver.
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My guess is Tesla is waiting on EPA certification. It's mandatory to start retail sales.
Elon must be getting rather impatient with government regulators about now. The second full stack Starship is sitting on the pad ready to fly and it looks like it will be 6 more weeks before FAA gives it a launch license. Sorry to be a little OT, but Elon seems to have so many problems with government regulators.
 

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I hope the tesla employee doesn't get fired for releasing that info
I was thinking the same thing. I don’t know if I trust this info. Elon will keep the release date and price close to his chest. He’s not going to be blabbing it to test drivers.
 

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Sorry to be a wet blanket, but I do think this is wishful thinking.

The normal way is to do a "soft roll-out" to employees, and then a few months later start delivering to actual customers. So if deliveries start next month I would expect customers to start seeing them early next year,
that's fine.... I'll save more for my down payment.
 


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Elon must be getting rather impatient with government regulators about now. The second full stack Starship is sitting on the pad ready to fly and it looks like it will be 6 more weeks before FAA gives it a launch license. Sorry to be a little OT, but Elon seems to have so many problems with government regulators.
They have to destack it to arm the flight termination system. Also, the Starship acted odd when they stacked it, it will need to be inspected.

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Would be very disappointing if there is not an event and delivery of some sort in September.
The headline would read “another miss/delay”
You know, the Cybertruck is going to be so explosive when it's actually available, blowing away anything out there, that I secretly hope the Cybertruck naysayers and skeptics get a small delay so they can have another temper-tantrum right before the delivery event to make them look even more foolish than they already do.

"Ford tough" has been Ford's go to slogan for decades. They're gonna need a new slogan 'cause "Ford tough" will shortly became just a joke.
 
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You know, the Cybertruck is going to be so explosive when it's actually available, blowing away anything out there, that I secretly hope the Cybertruck naysayers and skeptics get a small delay so they can have another temper-tantrum right before the delivery event to make them look even more foolish than they already do.

"Ford tough" has been Ford's go to slogan for decades. They're gonna need a new slogan 'cause "Ford tough" will shortly became just a joke.
I hope you’re right. I’m not impressed with what Ford has brought forward. I mean it’s fine considering the “motor-battery swap” of what basically the lightning is.

I really hope we get some surprises on pricing and specs, as what’s being shared even in this forum, which is fair to acknowledge, there may be some bias … has it approaching rivian ballpark performance levels
Rivian is already delivering or what the cyber truck said it would in 2019

hopefully the Cybertruck will provide better range and price
The fact that everyone’s backed off the 500 mile range coming out as an option, and that the price is going to be higher than what’s stated is concerning as far as being a stand out from what’s available in the market


I guess we can assume it will be bigger than the rivian, though that is still not 100%
for me personally a little bigger than a Rivian would be nice
I would like a bigger bed than the Rivian it’s rusted feel a little bit Tacoma sized but I don’t need full on quarter ton double cab pick up utility

Max towing capacity, likely a wash, and even if it’s better will be to a select buyer

so that leaves the very cool stainless steel exterior

Self driving, which is awesome

Tesla charging network which is now not really becoming a differentiator as it’s open

I don’t think cybertruck will be Rivian in acceleration or off-road capability, or likely on road capability

Design debates for both these vehicles would need its own forum

so how wonderful would it be to get what what was specd in 2019 in terms of price range and performance? If we are within 10% of all of that at release, I think we’re good - any greater then other options start to become pretty compelling.
 

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Sorry but that isn’t going to happen. I would recommend reading @cvalue13 recent post but if you believe nothing else the fact that no application for an event has been submitted to Travis County or to the fire Marshall, and that they have as 45 day lead time, tells us that the delivery event wil most likely be no sooner than the end of October and more likely in November. Sad but true.
May be it will be 21 Nov 2023, on the 4th year anniversary of the official Cybertruck unveiling 😀
 

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so that leaves the very cool stainless steel exterior

Self driving, which is awesome

Tesla charging network which is now not really becoming a differentiator as it’s open

I don’t think cybertruck will be Rivian in acceleration or off-road capability, or likely on road capability
I think you are missing why the Cybertruck will blow away the Rivian. All Rivian owners will have to fall back on is the oft-repeated claim that they think the Cybertruck is butt-ugly. Most of them have never even seen a Cybertruck in the metal. Anyway, that's subjective and, if that's all they have, it's weak medicine.

As to off-road capability, that's a big red-herring in my book. Most Rivian owners are afraid to do any real off-roading. And the fact of the matter is, most "off-roading" (as practiced by actual truck owners) consists of dirt/gravel roads or maybe a sandy beach or desert track. The biggest advantage the Rivian has as the off-roading becomes more rugged (for the few owners who use that capability beyond a photo-op) is a shorter wheelbase. But the longer wheelbase of the Cybertruck is better for the most common use cases, a rugged, rocky, unpaved road or desert track. Because the pitching and rocking motions will be greatly reduced. Shorter wheelbase vehicles pitch and rock to a surprising degree on any road that could be considered "rugged".

I think the four-wheel steering of the Cybertruck will largely negate any short-wheelbase advantage the Rivian might have had on a narrow, twisting track. The Cybertruck, in the most common off-road situations, will simply be a lot more comfortable and practical and you would probably have to go out of your way to find a track that the Rivian can do and the Cybertruck can't. It's a non-issue for over 95% of potential buyers.

On road it will be no contest, with the stiffer chassis and longer wheelbase of the Cybertruck providing driving dynamics unmatched by the Rivian (or any other 1/2 ton truck out there).

The Tesla Cybertruck will have numerous non-vehicle advantages other than the Supercharging Network that Rivian cannot hope to match. For example, availability of servicing. This alone is one reason why so many Rivian owners don't do any challenging off-roading. Because the Service Centers are few and far between. Another advantage that is fundamental to the ownership experience, and that Tesla kills it on vs. Rivian, is the power, stability and maturity of the software. While the Rivian is far from a real disaster, the situation is a real net negative, and I wouldn't want to guess how long it will take for it to get in the same ballpark as the Tesla software. It might never get there!

I could go on and on but trying to position the Rivian as serious competition to the Cybertruck, or pretending Cybertrucks only real advantage is the stainless-steel exterior, is fanciful, to say the least. The most compelling advantage the Rivian has over the Cybertruck (to a few buyers) is probably it's smaller size and more luxiourous looking stitched leather interior. But those aren't really truck qualities, are they. Trucks are supposed to be big and strong to get more work done.
 


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I think you are missing why the Cybertruck will blow away the Rivian. All Rivian owners will have to fall back on is the oft-repeated claim that they think the Cybertruck is butt-ugly. Most of them have never even seen a Cybertruck in the metal. Anyway, that's subjective and, if that's all they have, it's weak medicine.

As to off-road capability, that's a big red-herring in my book. Most Rivian owners are afraid to do any real off-roading. And the fact of the matter is, most "off-roading" (as practiced by actual truck owners) consists of dirt/gravel roads or maybe a sandy beach or desert track. The biggest advantage the Rivian has as the off-roading becomes more rugged (for the few owners who use that capability beyond a photo-op) is a shorter wheelbase. But the longer wheelbase of the Cybertruck is better for the most common use cases, a rugged, rocky, unpaved road or desert track. Because the pitching and rocking motions will be greatly reduced. Shorter wheelbase vehicles pitch and rock to a surprising degree on any road that could be considered "rugged".

I think the four-wheel steering of the Cybertruck will largely negate any short-wheelbase advantage the Rivian might have had on a narrow, twisting track. The Cybertruck, in the most common off-road situations, will simply be a lot more comfortable and practical and you would probably have to go out of your way to find a track that the Rivian can do and the Cybertruck can't. It's a non-issue for over 95% of potential buyers.

On road it will be no contest, with the stiffer chassis and longer wheelbase of the Cybertruck providing driving dynamics unmatched by the Rivian (or any other 1/2 ton truck out there).

The Tesla Cybertruck will have numerous non-vehicle advantages other than the Supercharging Network that Rivian cannot hope to match. For example, availability of servicing. This alone is one reason why so many Rivian owners don't do any challenging off-roading. Because the Service Centers are few and far between. Another advantage that is fundamental to the ownership experience, and that Tesla kills it on vs. Rivian, is the power, stability and maturity of the software. While the Rivian is far from a real disaster, the situation is a real net negative, and I wouldn't want to guess how long it will take for it to get in the same ballpark as the Tesla software. It might never get there!

I could go on and on but trying to position the Rivian as serious competition to the Cybertruck, or pretending Cybertrucks only real advantage is the stainless-steel exterior, is fanciful, to say the least. The most compelling advantage the Rivian has over the Cybertruck (to a few buyers) is probably it's smaller size and more luxiourous looking stitched leather interior. But those aren't really truck qualities, are they. Trucks are supposed to be big and strong to get more work done.
Let’s see how it plays out. For now this isn’t worth comparing since there’s no info/specs available on the CT to compare to.
 

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I hope you’re right. I’m not impressed with what Ford has brought forward. I mean it’s fine considering the “motor-battery swap” of what basically the lightning is.
The Lightning may look like any other F150 on the outside, on the inside, it is not. It's more like the Model 3 in technology level. Ford changed the entire suspension system and frame to fit around the batteries and motor instead of vice versa.

That's the thing being not in the lead: You can watch, see what worked, what problems cropped up. And hopefully, make jumps that were just incremental guesses for the leader.

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