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I did not start this comparison between Tesla and Microsoft. But if you play this game - play fair!
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Literally Windows has been around for thirty years. I know how each of the licenses worked - to use the upgrade license you needed to stick in the older copy, on back to the original.Nope, it is not new. It always was like this. Our company has 290 PC’s. We do not buy a new Microsoft license when we replace computers. All Microsoft Windows licenses are originally windows 7. Now they are upgraded to win 11 and we haven’t had any issues.
Sure it could. Never said Tesla couldn't. I wish Tesla would make it transferable......
my point is FSD could be transferable to another car if the owner of the FSD remains the same.
What is new?......
So yes, this is new. Not as new as 11, not as old as 8.
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-Crissa
The quoted recoverability of a key:What is new?
What is "Not as new as 11, not as old as 8"?
-Crissa
I agree with the above. I am surprised by the lectures and warped conversation about PC/Server licensing this has generated. Of course there are ongoing cost for Tesla. My premise was the transferability in the even of a totaled Tesla. Insurance is always an option, but people flying to Tesla's defense for potentially collecting $24k in software royalties in 1 day if you totaled your Tesla on the first day. That was weird.One problem with software, especially in the case of FSD, is that it is very likely to get updates and upgrades as new capabilities and features come along. SO having a one off payment actually makes the least sense, it should be a deposit and a subscription, or just a subscription. That allows the customer to pay by use rather than upfront. ATM FSD upfront is technically increasing the amount the car costs, and as such increasing the loan repayments made.
For the customer it would be better to have a subscription that goes with you on your Tesla phone app, and you can take from car to car, even to a rental or friends. The reason I say this is that it is my understanding that the full FSD stack is being used in all Teslas that have hardware to support it anyway, but customer features have been limited to if the customer has paid for FSD or not. So "activating" FSD is simply a matter of enabling the "outputs" of the feature being automatic pedal and steering wheel control, and displaying some extra features on the display showing what it is doing.
It could.Don’t shift the focus of this talk!
my point is FSD could be transferable to another car if the owner of the FSD remains the same.
I checked the box for FSD when I reserved my Cybertruck Nov 2019....but I really don't know if I will keep it....and I wouldn't pay $12,000 for it if it vanishes after sale or accident.You're right. They didn't leave themselves any wiggle room with that statement on FSD. I agree, FSD is kind of a mess at $12K and locked to a vehicle. Like you said, Tesla needs to come up with a better plan for contingencies like totaled vehicles. A year ago Todd the Cybertruck guy put up a plan where it would be, pay according to miles used. That would be fair. Tesla puts all the hardware into all of these vehicles. They need to get a high percentage of adoption, otherwise it's a waste.
$500 a year?I believe FSD subsciption for personal use will become affordable. maybe $500 a year.
100% uptake = 5 billion. and growing.
By 2030 , for the sake of a close enough rounded number... Tesla could have sold 100 million cars .. 50 billion income per year... and growing.
FSD will make the roads safer.
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The real super profit will come from commercial :
3 - Licensing FSD to other companies.
2 - Licence or profit share from private owners to join the Robotaxi network.
1 - Tesla's own Robotaxi network.$$$$
Minimum 70 million cars by 2035 (and growing) @ $300 each per week profit = 1 Trillion
I know $500 sounds farcical, it was difficult to type lol.$500 a year?
That doesn't jive with Elon's track record of continually raising the price of FSD.
Why would he change it to an annual subscription of only $500 a year?
(That would be great if he did, but I am not expecting it)