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VIN DECODER:
https://vpic.nhtsa.dot.gov/mid/home/displayfile/fbec7f77-5e2b-4d06-b46c-267e7327c2ff

GVWR revealed:
  • Cybertruck - Performance - 9,XXX pounds GVWR
  • Cybertruck - Standard - 8,XXX pounds GVWR
    • Compare to:
      • Model X - Plaid - 6,7868 pounds GVWR
      • Model S - Plaid - 5,596 pounds GVWR
      • Model Y - Long Range - 5,302 pounds GVWR
      • R1T - 8,532 pounds GVWR
      • Lightning - 8,250lbs-8,550 pounds GVWR
      • Hummer EV - 10,550 pounds GVWR

As required by law, VIN information published within 60 days of customer sales (customers in this case being internal customers).

Example for Dual Motor Cybertruck (with an x for check digit and assuming the Dual Motor Standard is Class G and the tri motor is Class H):
72GCEGEDXRA000001

Digits 1 -3: World Manufacturing Identifier
72G = Manufacturer: Tesla Inc., Vehicle Type: Truck

Digit 4: Make/Line/series
T = Tesla Semi
C = Cybertruck

Digit 5: Chassis/Cab Type
B = Day Cab
E = Truck - LHD

Digit 6: Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR)
E = Class 8 – Greater than 14968 kg. (33,001 lbs. and over)
G = Class G – Greater than 3629 kg. to 4082 kg. (8,001-9,000 lbs.)
H = Class H – Greater than 4082 kg. to 4536 kg. (9,001-10,000 lbs.)


Digit 7: Fuel Type
E = Electric

Digit 8: Motor/Drive Unit/Braking System
B = Dual Drive Rear Axle, Air Brakes (Designated for Semi)
D = Dual Motor – Standard (Designated for Cybertruck)
E = Triple Motor – Performance (Designated for Cybertruck)


Digit 9: Check Digit
To be assigned by manufacturer pursuant to 49 CFR § 565.15(c).

Digit 10: Model Year
R = 2024

Digit 11: Plant of Manufacture
N = Reno, NV
A = Austin, TX

Digits 12-17: Unique serial number
000001-999999

EDIT: Seems moderator is a bit cavalier at editing active users posts. This is not cool, just cause you like the post and are promoting the post doesn't mean you have the right to editorialize a users posts. I've stricken out your additions to my post but left it there. Reason being is this info is assumptions about the GVWR between dual and tri motor. None of this GVWR model specific info is actually confirmed from the vin decoder. The only aspect of the GVWR that is confirmed is that there are plans for a class G and a class H cybertruck. We do not actually know how that will pan out among the models listed in the VIN info. I believe that this website tends to throw the word "CONFIRMED" around way too cavalier, and in my original post I only used it because the VIN info is ACTUALLY confirmed, not implied. Please refrain from editorializing users posts when they aren't your own posts.
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Link in the original post. Tesla is required by law to submit VIN decoder info within 60 days from initial sales. This was posted to the NHTSA by Tesla on 8/23/2023, but just finally showed up on the public database today. I've been checking regularly in anticipation.
 

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Interesting! Looks like we have a likely initial release of a Dual Motor - Standard and Triple Motor - Performance model.

What I find most interesting is the weight classifications.
  • G = Class G – Greater than 3629 kg. to 4082 kg. (8,001-9,000 lbs.)
  • H = Class H – Greater than 4082 kg. to 4536 kg. (9,001-10,000 lbs.)
I wonder if this indicates the standard dual motor is between 8,000 to 9,000 pounds and the triple with certain options might be in the 9,000 to 10,000 lbs class? Or are they just adding both just in case, or because it is real close to 9,000 pounds and can go over/under based on wheel configurations?
 
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Yes, I believe the Dual is class G and the Tri is class H. I'm guessing the weight of the Dual is probably high 8,000's just below 9k pounds. And the larger battery pack on the Tri, with the added motor puts it over 9k pounds.
 


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Just noting here that the dual motor in the Model 3 only added about 265 lbs from single, so it's possible that Class G weight wise could be both dual-motor and tri-motor, depending on if the second motor weight puts it into the next category or not, because Class G has a 1000 lb range.

But of course that eighth digit for the Motor/Drive Unit Braking System designation will certainly tell us.

So once we see some actual different VINs with an eighth digit containing "D" or "E", then I'll guess we'll know the answer depending on what their corresponding sixth (GVWR) digit actually is.

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OOF.
From this site: DOE

Vans, sport utility vehicles, and pickup trucks must not have an MSRP above $80,000, and all other vehicles may not have an MSRP above $55,000. The MSRP can be found on the vehicle’s window sticker, which is also known as the “Monroney label”; the MSRP for this purpose includes any trim, options, or accessories for the particular vehicle and excludes the destination fee and dealer-provided options and accessories.

My point is that there's a strong chance that some configurations will be above $80,000. I'm definitely in the Tri-motor camp (unless there's a long range quad-motor, that is). With $7,000 for FSD, that puts mine at close to $77,000 if Tesla keeps their original pricing.

Going to be a nail biter...
 

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Just noting here that the dual motor in the Model 3 only added about 265 lbs from single, so it's easily possible that Class G weight wise could be both dual-motor and tri-motor, depending on if the second motor weight puts it into the next category or not, because Class G has a 1000 lb range.

But of course that eighth digit of the Motor/Drive Unit Braking System will certainly tell us.

So once we see some actual different VINs with an eighth digit containing "D" or "E", then I'll guess we'll know the answer depending on what their corresponding sixth (GVWR) digit actually is.

- ÆCIII
This could also be for:
350 mile range battery pack - light enough to qualify for tax credit.
500 mile range battery pack - hefty boy... too hefty to qualify for tax credit.

EDIT: I was reading a bunch and may have mis-remembered the weight limit or maybe I was thinking GVWR... Maybe I'm just too into Friday to think straight.
 
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That federal credit is also almost certainly to drop sizably by the time real customers get these trucks next year. Tesla has admitted it on their own website with a warning about it.
 


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For further discussion on weights, here is how it compares to the weight of other Tesla's:
  • CyberTruck - Performance - 9,XXX pounds GVWR - 3,500 lbs Payload - Under 6,499 Curb Weight??
  • CyberTruck - Standard - 8,XXX pounds GVWR - 3,500 lbs Payload - Under 5,499 Curb Weight???
  • Model X - 6,250 pounds GVWR - 1,065 lbs Payload - 5,185 Curb Weight*
  • Model S - 5,596 pounds GVWR - 830 lbs Payload - 4,766 Curb Weight*
  • Model Y - Long Range - 5,712 pounds GVWR - 1,157 lbs Payload- 4,555 Curb Weight*
!!! EDIT: Apparently the VIN is GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weigh Rating) which is different from the Curb Weight of the vehicle. This is the maximum allowable total mass of the vehicle. This is calculated as the weight of the vehicle equipped with the heaviest factory selectable options, all passengers, fluids, and cargo. This includes Cargo/Passengers. This post has been edited to provide more accurate information and to not have dis-information out there from my post.

* Lots of different information out there on Curb Weights depending on configs, this is the best information I was able to find. Might be slight variances here depending on Model Year and configuration.
 
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Yes, I believe the Dual is class G and the Tri is class H. I'm guessing the weight of the Dual is probably high 8,000's just below 9k pounds. And the larger battery pack on the Tri, with the added motor puts it over 9k pounds.
GVWR is not the vehicle dry weight. It includes max cargo, including passengers.
 

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I was just about to post the same thing. For reference F-150 SCrew 3.5L Eco has ~2000 lb payload capacity putting GVWR in low 8000 lb range.
If Cybertruck has a 3500lb cargo capacity, then at Class G it weighs no more than 5500lbs.
 
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GVWR is not the vehicle dry weight. It includes max cargo, including passengers.
Just as you said.. the GVWR includes both the vehicle weight and the cargo/passengers. So if the Dual motor weighs 5k lbs and a 3500 lbs cargo capacity its GVWR is 8500lbs (class G), but the Tri motor weighs 5900 lbs and a 3500lbs cargo capacity then it is a class H with a GVWR of 9400lbs. That was my point.
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