Expected Cybertruck pricing / price at launch?

[Diehard]

Even when those mythical $40K Lightnings were supossedly "available", they were unobtanium. Ford sold very few of them, at a large loss, just to say they did it. It's not a reflection of what really exists in the real world.

O.K. That shot at Ford was well deserved. I was one of the people that got the initial invitation to order and once I tried to order a Pro, I got a big bird offered to me instead (getting screwed out of 22 tax credit because of it). That said, I may be "obtaining" one at that price next month. I may not be in real world from where you are sitting but on my side of screen, things are mighty real. I know a lot of people that have already taken delivery of theirs.

With Ford buying process, nothing is guaranteed until it is done depending on what the dealer's mood of the day is. So I am not a part of statistic yet. With what I have seen so far, I can definitely say Tesla and Rivian (They are real) buying experience is at least worth $5K extra for me. I am not sure how you know Ford is selling it at a loss but I get your point and agree that this kinda of value is not normal but if some one wants an affordable EV they do exist in real world:

p.s. for those that are wondering what the heck I am doing here if I am getting a Lightning, Pro is not a good long distance traveling machine both due to range, charging speed and charging network. It is OK for now since we have an ICE in the family but I am still hoping for a relatively affordable longer range CT at some point. It may be another 3-4 years before my number comes up.

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[Crissa]

Then you should build your case and sue Tesla for false advertising.

-Crissa

 

[Diehard]

Then you should build your case and sue Tesla for false advertising.

-Crissa

Hard to build a case if there is no single motor no Tri motor and no price. And once there is a price for dual motor, it would be for a truck with different specs. Case closed

 

[MARSROVER]

Wait...you've had two additional years to save up and you still think it's out of reach? I would suggest you shouldn't listen to people predicting crazy prices in the 6 digits.

I have been saving for the $39,990 base model I ordered…… I’m a school teacher, with a growing family (even since ordering this truck 3 years ago) who was hoping musk would make good on actually trying to make this vehicle affordable. No one was planning on Covid crap, inflation, etc. It is what it is but if there is no base model, the best I can hope for is used some day.

The reality is I need a van at this point anyways…. Anymore talk of a Cybervan!?

 

[MARSROVER]

It may be another 3-4 years before my number comes up.

I’ve got a really low number from the morning after the reveal I don’t think I’ll be using…….

 

[Diehard]

I’ve got a really low number from the morning after the reveal I don’t think I’ll be using…….

A lot of Ford people, especially in higher trims are having second thoughts and beginning to abandon their order. Paying near $100K for something that is going to be outdated in a year or two gives people pause. I am generally a value shopper unless I absolutely love everything about a product. I assume when CT comes out, a lot of reservation holders are already driving other EVs and what CT gives them in addition to what they have should justify the cost unless they just love it so much reason goes out the door. For me, if what I am driving lose a lot of value and I can’t get much for it and CT prices are a lot more than announced, I may not be able to justify it either.

What is your reservation with your reservation?

 

[MEDICALJMP]

A lot of comments here simply floor me. You must have many more dollars than sense. Tesla can easily price themselves out of a large number of sales. I’ve been saving my money like mad and even with that I will only pay so much for a vehicle. After all, it is just a truck. My dream vehicle, but it is a truck to get me from point A to point B. At $69.9k it is more than every other car I have bought combined in over 45 years of driving.

Tesla can accelerate the change to sustainable transportation or slow that down with scalpers prices. So many of you seem to be one percenters without a care for price. The others are probably those who I classify as fools who buy things based on the payment they can afford over 6, 7, 8 years or more; never mind the total cost is twice a cash payment. Fools and their money….

Speculation gets none of us anywhere. It seems everyone is so starved for new information that they drivel on for 14 pages of behind-blowing smoke.

 

[Crissa]

Hard to build a case if there is no single motor no Tri motor and no price. And once there is a price for dual motor, it would be for a truck with different specs. Case closed

Nope.

They took potentially hundreds of millions of dollars that sat in a bank account for two, three years. The potential liability isn't just the refunds, as advertising a product you knew you couldn't make would be the issue. Discovery would be painful, and Tesla doesn't have the friends or legal chops to defend itself against a suit designed to make a warning example for other companies.

-Crissa

 

[SwampNut]

There's some talk about a regulatory and/or class action suit about the FSD lies. "We will have a cross country self drive within this year!" Musk is a liar* as a way of life and way of doing business. His bullshit is stacked very high. When does it become actionable by the investors and/or the customers? How is paying $7k for FSD six years ago and getting almost nothing a legal thing to do?

*The word "lie" implies knowledge that you are lying. I think Musk is such a nutty narcissist that he actually believes his own bullshit, and isn't actually lying. Just totally unreliable.

 

[HaulingAss]

A lot of comments here simply floor me. You must have many more dollars than sense. Tesla can easily price themselves out of a large number of sales. I’ve been saving my money like mad and even with that I will only pay so much for a vehicle. After all, it is just a truck. My dream vehicle, but it is a truck to get me from point A to point B. At $69.9k it is more than every other car I have bought combined in over 45 years of driving.

Tesla can accelerate the change to sustainable transportation or slow that down with scalpers prices. So many of you seem to be one percenters without a care for price. The others are probably those who I classify as fools who buy things based on the payment they can afford over 6, 7, 8 years or more; never mind the total cost is twice a cash payment. Fools and their money….

Speculation gets none of us anywhere. It seems everyone is so starved for new information that they drivel on for 14 pages of behind-blowing smoke.

Nope. Tesla is not going to slow down the adoption of sustainable energy with scalper's pricing. Elon knows he cannot have a growing business with low-volume, high-dollar products and the Cybertruck is situated to have mass market appeal just like ICE trucks do today. That said, if you can't afford a new ICE truck, you will not be able to afford a new Cybertruck.

Tesla will displace the sales of hundreds of thousands of new ICE trucks in the first couple of years of sales. But the honest truth is that Tesla does not care if it is you or someone else, the goal is to displace as many new ICE sales as possible. They will start at the upper 1/3 of the truck market and work their way down over time. Those on a budget can jump in when their price point is hit.

 

[Diehard]

There's some talk about a regulatory and/or class action suit about the FSD lies. "We will have a cross country self drive within this year!" Musk is a liar* as a way of life and way of doing business. His bullshit is stacked very high. When does it become actionable by the investors and/or the customers? How is paying $7k for FSD six years ago and getting almost nothing a legal thing to do?

*The word "lie" implies knowledge that you are lying. I think Musk is such a nutty narcissist that he actually believes his own bullshit, and isn't actually lying. Just totally unreliable.

Whether he is an optimist or a lier, people should take some responsibility for their choices. FSD is a groundbreaking idea. Making a machine that does what humans can do in all unforeseen circumstances is a mighty lofty goal. It is not like Ford made an F150 and Now GM is promising to make one equally capable. It is something that was never done before. So is Cybertruck. When it was revealed, there was no Gigapress to make it. It is like people going to Vegas suing the casino for losing money. Then again, lawyers gotta eat too.

 

[HaulingAss]

Nope.

They took potentially hundreds of millions of dollars that sat in a bank account for two, three years. The potential liability isn't just the refunds, as advertising a product you knew you couldn't make would be the issue. Discovery would be painful, and Tesla doesn't have the friends or legal chops to defend itself against a suit designed to make a warning example for other companies.

-Crissa

A case for fraud requires showing that Elon knew FSD was not possible. It's not fraud if Tesla is giving it their best effort and coming up short.

BTW, for all the people who conitnually claim Elon "lied", the same measuring stick applies. It's not a lie if you believe what you are doing will work. Even the people working on FSD believe they are on the cusp of fully solving autonomy in the near future.

 

[Diehard]

The potential liability isn't just the refunds, as advertising a product you knew you couldn't make would be the issue

I would like to meet the person that can make that case: “Tesla knew they couldn’t make it”.

 

[SwampNut]

people should take some responsibility for their choices.

Yeah, people definitely should not listen to the CEO and only info/marketing source for a company. What idiots! Next you'll say that people should trust their doctor for medical advice.

It's not fraud if Tesla is giving it their best effort and coming up short.

It may not be criminal fraud, but it certainly can be an actionable failure to meet a contractual obligation.

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