Fit and Finish Concerns — STILL

[batlag]

Hey Friends,

I’m excited as you are about CT. Can’t freaking wait.

I am concerned about the build quality issues that we’re still seeing. That matte black one was sick!! (I’ll be getting mine in matte black). But you’d think that since Franz was the one driving it around, and that it’s such a late build, that some of these major issues wouldn’t still be showing up.

Does anyone with the right knowledge and experience to answer this have a thought about what the build quality of those releases on Nov 30 might look like?

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[HaulingAss]

I am concerned about the build quality issues that we’re still seeing. That matte black one was sick!! (I’ll be getting mine in matte black). But you’d think that since Franz was the one driving it around, and that it’s such a late build, that some of these major issues wouldn’t still be showing up.

Jumping to conclusions much? Why do you assume the black Cybertruck Franz was driving was "such a late build"? It would make more sense that they used one of the earlier builds they had sitting around to wrap.

The ones delivered on the 30th will be nearly perfect. Any issues we notice might start to show up as the line speed is ramped into higher volumes. It will probably be pretty minor stuff in the bigger scheme of things.

Not worried at all.

 

[ÆCIII]

I've noted some things too from a few months back, but as pointed out they were on the earlier builds. While I've also noticed certain workmanship flaws or build quality issues on some Release Candidates, I've seen some good workmanship as well with a couple more recent Cybertruck sightings.

So I'm going to reserve extensive critical judgment until the first 1000 or so VINs are delivered and then take a close look at a large sample of those. If there are still glaring issues that could've been corrected by then, I'll be pointing those out in detail. I'm hoping there will not be much left to scrutinize by then.

- ÆCIII

 

[cvalue13]

and that it’s such a late build,

do you know where this idea has come from?

I don’t understand where someone got the idea that this is a “late” build

I’d assume without more this is the same Franz truck from eg C&C, which is an early beta

 

[wanders]

But you’d think that since Franz was the one driving it around, and that it’s such a late build, that some of these major issues wouldn’t still be showing up.

I wouldn't think that. From what I can tell, Franz got an earlier build and this is that same build.

 

[newwave1331]

do you know where this idea has come from?

I don’t understand where someone got the idea that this is a “late” build

I’d assume without more this is the same Franz truck from eg C&C, which is an early beta

Franz had a white interior (7 series - RC) at the C&C on 6/25/23

Is this interior white or grey? I'm not sure.

 

[cvalue13]

Franz had a white interior (7 series - RC) at the C&C on 6/25/23

Is this interior white or grey? I'm not sure.

Franz's truck at C&C was a beta

Same beta as inside at Investor Day, out front at Cyber Roundup, at Lithium Plant groundbreaking, etc.

EDIT TO ADD: looking more closely at this black matte unit, this is almost certainly the same Franz beta. Interior colors, lack of tint stripe on upper windshield, etc.

 

[COLAB]

Since the first test manufacturing drawings and after discovering the complexities of construction and finishing, the problems have been analyzed and corrected before the official release of the first production vehicles, don't worry, everything is on track. Tesla has amassed enough experience to react and correct things, they have learned since they released the first car!!!

 

[Startreknerd]

Jumping to conclusions much? Why do you assume the black Cybertruck Franz was driving was "such a late build"? It would make more sense that they used one of the earlier builds they had sitting around to wrap.

The ones delivered on the 30th will be nearly perfect. Any issues we notice might start to show up as the line speed is ramped into higher volumes. It will probably be pretty minor stuff in the bigger scheme of things.

Not worried at all.

Of course they should be perfect, and likely will be very much so. But as a shareholder, I worry the cost to finish is greater than it should be. Initially a lot of hand work is needed but eventually more mechanical work and calibration needs to happen to bring down the per unit cost.

 

[Dman_CT]

I was looking at some old photos of mine and found a picture of my new 1981 Pontiac, when it was just a few days off the dealer lot. And it was not a cheap model. The panel gaps on that car make anything we’ve seen on the CT look tiny. I’m not saying that malaise era GM quality is a good benchmark, but gaps aren’t necessarily bad, if the weather sealing, wind noise management, door closure etc work as designed. My Tacoma has nice panel gaps but wind noise management in crosswinds is terrible. Just do a Google search on “Tacoma kazoo”. And it was recalled for 3rd brake light leaks … and Toyota has been installing 3rd brake lights since 1986 when they were mandated. Nobody’s perfect.

 

[lowtek]

Hey Friends,

I’m excited as you are about CT. Can’t freaking wait.

I am concerned about the build quality issues that we’re still seeing. That matte black one was sick!! (I’ll be getting mine in matte black). But you’d think that since Franz was the one driving it around, and that it’s such a late build, that some of these major issues wouldn’t still be showing up.

Does anyone with the right knowledge and experience to answer this have a thought about what the build quality of those releases on Nov 30 might look like?

Some of these, like the matte black one, are early pre-production builds. I'd reserve judgement until actual customers start getting them.

At that time, all the trolls are welcome to jump on the first panel gap that shows up and light up the internet like an xmas tree because presumably they have nothing better to do in their shallow, hollow lives ...

 

[greggertruck]

Maybe worry less

 

[HaulingAss]

My wife and I have three early Model 3 versions, the first one is about the 9,000th, the second one 19K and the third one 85K. The earliest two are every bit as good as the later one. I can't see any difference in fit and finish, the early ones just took more time for the line workers to build. And the one off the line at number 9K has the best battery of them all, still has 305 miles of range out of the original 310 miles, almost six years and 71K miles later.

I would rather have one one of the first 2K Cybertrucks built, vs. #11K, because the earliest ones are the most pampered while being built. The later ones are built with the goal of making them quickly, and not needing any individual attention. Of course every launch is different so there are no guarantees. The least risky thing to do is cancel those early reservations and wait until you are convinced there are no major problems.

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