How expensive a machine is the 9k ton IDRA Giga Press?

Is the 9k IDRA giga press a million dollar machine?


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How much mulah is the Bigga Giga? By the looks of it, there will only be one at Austin Tesla. Any repairs needed won't have a backup, it'll have to be fixed in-house. So how much dough do you think is tied up into this thing?

 

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$20-30m.

Only need the 9k for the large CT rear cast which will include bed load carrying mounting points.
 

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That's why most of the costs associated with the machine are bigger than the price of the machine itself.

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How much mulah is the Bigga Giga? By the looks of it, there will only be one at Austin Tesla. Any repairs needed won't have a backup, it'll have to be fixed in-house. So how much dough do you think is tied up into this thing?
Bigga the better the writedown for equipment. IDK the period but guessing IDRA 9k is written down to 0 within 5 yrs.

Were it plant Tesla would take depreciation scheduled over 20yr. to accommodate the facility needed to build the batterypack suspension structure.

Skeptical that GigaAustin is leaning on a single point failure node in production. SOP with only one 9k=ok. Full production I’d want thre or four just to cycle them so the wear is managed, maint. kept up and preventative performed.

Spare parts(i.e. moving) aren’t half a world away, Tesla isn’t that thick. A knucklehead performs without a net. I’d go so far as saying that a catastrophic hydraulic failure has a containerized backup system that could be attached up and serving the press while the in situ system is abandoned in-place or repaired even.

un-SWAG Tesla have damn near $100MM tied up in the 1st 9k production machine, backup and spares.
 

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Actually, thinking about it again after having smoko this morning it must be $42m. 🤣

(Don't worry I don't actually smoke or drink for that matter, not even coffee - "smoko" is slang for a tea break ;))
 
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I'm sure Tesla probably has another on order or will have another on order as soon as they test and validate the first machine. IDRA is busy making other presses for other customers, so there is a long delivery time for all their customers.

The 9k ton gigapress is the first of its kind from IDRA, so they could be waiting to test it out before putting in another order or before beginning production of another one.
 
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Yea, and they are smart down there.

I reckon the 9 ton presses will serve the many other new designs to come as well.
 
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Yea, and they are smart down there.

I reckon the 9 ton presses will serve the many other new designs to come as well.
Next step: 50K ton zetta press for one-piece aluminum house frames. Think about it, all you need is to screw in the Hardie-plank siding, SS plumbing, wiring, spray a fiberglass roof on, and you've got a million mile house. One modular room at a time. Cheaper, better, faster.
 

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Next step: 50K ton zetta press for one-piece aluminum house frames. Think about it, all you need is to screw in the Hardie-plank siding, SS plumbing, wiring, spray a fiberglass roof on, and you've got a million mile house. One modular room at a time. Cheaper, better, faster.
Rooms with all the services built in... not all rooms have services at all points.. so 3 or 4 different configs are required.

Just select the appropriate rooms and place them to your configuration. Plug the relevant service that's required. They can be reconfigured if needed.

I think great for cheap fast modular school construction, and for Mars.. we will have plenty of spaceships.
 

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Next step: 50K ton zetta press for one-piece aluminum house frames. Think about it, all you need is to screw in the Hardie-plank siding, SS plumbing, wiring, spray a fiberglass roof on, and you've got a million mile house. One modular room at a time. Cheaper, better, faster.
Exactly…

The single core(wet utilities) of Bath, wash, Kitchen is permitted, inspected and built onsite. The auxiliary(dry areas) BR, FR, DR, LR are first order candidates for modular. All machine built, CANBUS attached and bungalowed without inspection, permit and mfg’d offsite in days not months. Home owners add-on…

The construction and development industry is labor constrained, resource depleted and frankly customer limited for trades-built housing. Wherein…within a generation

Multi-housing, multi-story replaces the trades-built home increasing density, economy of scale and affordability. As attendant social/personal interrelated needs rise. High rise is the new luxury as suburbia begins to look like Japan. Cities become empires(ala NYC, Silicon Valley) and USA population concentrates into eight or nine hubs of economic activity.

Midwest used to be flyover but ghost towns are new tourist attractions(ala Route66) for weekenders. AirB’nB the new Motel 6 for all the cute old homes. Ahhh… sweet is the smell of fresh air from progress.

IF progress stumbles, is fumbled or crashes USA depopulates in quartiles to affordable alternatives, alternative lifestyles and new ways of living emerge in places that aren’t impossible but probably better. Robots are ascendant…
 


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Well using aluminum is probably the worst material for a house. Thermal conductivity and expansion over that size would be ridiculous. You'd have the most thermally uncomfortable, highest energy consumption and creaky and leaky house ever built. 🙁

Much better off going with vacuum bagged foam insulated fiberglass panels. No Giga press required, just have to suck some air out of a bag to compress the panels into shape, just like they make boats.
 
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Well using aluminum is probably the worst material for a house. Thermal conductivity and expansion over that size would be ridiculous. You'd have the most thermally uncomfortable, highest energy consumption and creaky and leaky house ever built. 🙁

Much better off going with vacuum bagged foam insulated fiberglass panels. No Giga press required, just have to suck some air out of a bag to compress the panels into shape, just like they make boats.
I hate you. I really resent when someone has an idea better than mine.
But seriously, I like brainstorming the perfect house and materials. A house should last 1000 years. A roof should do the same.
 

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So sorry about that! ;)
JBee - otherwise known as the idea to reality interface filter/killer. 🤣🤣
 

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A house should last 1000 years. A roof should do the same.
Stone are only houses I’ve seen standing from the 1100’s in South of France. Roofs determine whether you have a rubble pile or structure standing. Once the roof is lost – the rest is too.

Stone was the purview of the wealthy, landed class. Even in Italy stonework was elevated to an artform. The standing examples still in-use as homes are living museums. Those eras were a moment in history, not unlike this one.

Modern civilization is not structured for inheritance. The legacy of wealth holdings is constantly repurposed to higher use. The tax code is built on that basis. Consequently, no modern materials exist for use beyond 150yrs. Concrete is our pinnacle candidate but rarely weathers the ravages of time due to additives, Portland and ash mixture. Clay tile would be next, except it is nigh impossible to find in Europe much less in quantity to build new. Wood fairs well over time if protected from termite infestation, dryrot and mold but unless it’s timber the 1000 yr. warrantee is unrealistic. Slave labor sanded and waxed timber to protect the wood in another era. No replacement has stood the test of time since. Timber lasts hundreds of years. That’s it!
 

 
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