How not to use autopilot / FSD

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This is just a funny story about how my wife used AP/FSD.

So as many of you know, these programs need to detect that youre paying attention. Typically both by seeing your eyes and feeling your hand on the wheel.

My wife just recently decided she was willing to use it (we're on our third Tesla). I assumed she knew how it worked because she didn't ask and she's seen me use it 10000 times.

We just got rid of our Y for a raven X, so the camera isn't part of the equation. She just needed to make the car know she's holding the wheel.

She got kicked out of AP a couple weeks ago and said the car couldn't tell she was holding the wheel. I was suspicious but let it slide because I've been kicked out before while actually holding so it was whatever.

When we got FSD 12, it activated FSD on her profile so she was using that today when she called me and said she got kicked out again. (Remember that if you get kicked out 3 times [on the non camera version] you get banned for a while). So I was like, how do you keep getting kicked out?

I assumed she was like not touching the wheel until it beeped because if you do that a few times it will assume you're not paying attention and kick you out.

But then she explained it...

She thought it was like a capacitive or grip sensor. So she just had her hand on the very bottom of the wheel and squeezed when it would ask her to touch the wheel.



So PSA for new Tesla owners who are going to get AP/FSD soon.

You have to put a slight turning pressure on the wheel or click a button to make it think you're paying attention.

Don't get banned :/
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I almost wish they would’ve went in the same direction as the GM Super Cruise and others where you have a camera behind the steering wheel tracking your eyes. That way you don’t have to be bothered to jerk the wheel every so often to indicate that you’re paying attention.
 

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It is kinda silly for it to ask you to wriggle the steering when it's going in a straight line.

But it has to deal with people who want to fake out the system, so...

-Crissa
Please don't suggest wiggling the steering wheel, aside from being an incorrect motion, it can get people in the vehicle nautious.

The correct answer is always just slight torque / turning pressure.

When you have the correct pressure, then you don't have to remember to wiggle the steering wheel, because you are continuously sending the correct information.

Also, in some configurations, changing lanes requires the driver explicitly indicate that they are aware by providing torque.
 

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Please don't suggest wiggling the steering wheel, aside from being an incorrect motion, it can get people in the vehicle nautious.

The correct answer is always just slight torque / turning pressure.

When you have the correct pressure, then you don't have to remember to wiggle the steering wheel, because you are continuously sending the correct information.

Also, in some configurations, changing lanes requires the driver explicitly indicate that they are aware by providing torque.
That's wriggling it, not waggling it. Waggling would move the passengers.

I almost wish they would’ve went in the same direction as the GM Super Cruise and others where you have a camera behind the steering wheel tracking your eyes. That way you don’t have to be bothered to jerk the wheel every so often to indicate that you’re paying attention.
Tesla does this for FSD.

-Crissa
 


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That's wriggling it, not waggling it. Waggling would move the passengers.


Tesla does this for FSD.

-Crissa
really? I didn’t see any cameras inside the CT. Maybe I missed them.
 

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really? I didn’t see any cameras inside the CT. Maybe I missed them.
There’s a camera above the rear view mirror. You can view the interior live stream from the app.

The FSD “pressure” on the steering is minuscule. If you turn the wheel enough to move the car, then FSD disengages. It takes practice.
 

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There’s a camera above the rear view mirror. You can view the interior live stream from the app.

The FSD “pressure” on the steering is minuscule. If you turn the wheel enough to move the car, then FSD disengages. It takes practice.
Ah interesting didn’t know! Yeah I’ve been watching a lot of Tesla FSD vids to see what it’s like using it so I know what to expect even though my CB isn’t coming until late 2024 and FSD coming who knows when.
 


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That's wriggling it, not waggling it. Waggling would move the passengers.


Tesla does this for FSD.

-Crissa
I'm not sure the technical difference between the two terms. I'm assuming that they are both left - right repeated movements. That's what I'm talking about.

Tesla now requires BOTH wheel torque and attentive eyes for both AutoPilot and FSD.

We can thank the folks that try to game the system for this. I'm sure that Tesla wants to do less, but lawsuits and complaints to the NHTSA make them do more.
The addition to eyes for Autopilot was added at the beginning of last year due to a NHTSA inquiry.
 
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It is kinda silly for it to ask you to wriggle the steering when it's going in a straight line.

But it has to deal with people who want to fake out the system, so...

-Crissa
Yea it's not too bad once you get used to it but it's odd for sure. They should have some sort of capacitive sensor or something.
 

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I really wish Sentry Mode included audio. I would love to know what all the gawkers are saying!
Not legal in most states, tho.

Yea it's not too bad once you get used to it but it's odd for sure. They should have some sort of capacitive sensor or something.
I think they do, but it's easily defeated by cheat devices.

-Crissa
 

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That's wriggling it, not waggling it. Waggling would move the passengers.


Tesla does this for FSD.

-Crissa
There's always one lol:

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