JerryRigEverything disses the Cybertruck

[dalton108]

Why has the argument become how famous some douchbag Youtuber is? I don't care if he's as famous as the Queen of England, he's still not someone to go head-to-head with the kind of engineers Tesla uses to design the key structures of their vehicles.

The argument was who cares. The answer was some portion of his 8 million followers. Some portion of whom, would be potential cybertruck purchasers, I imagine.

You really are deluding yourself at this point. Ralph Nader famously brought one of the titans of the automotive industry to its knees. You have no idea how easy it is to make a licensed professional engineer look like a clown in a deposition or on the witness stand. They’re not equipped and - my God ?- if they get grandiose and pompous like you are on their behalf … there’s never a better day in a court!

And for the record yes we should all be concerned about the engineering of rockets. You do realize that there is oversight? Right?

That you’re getting less cogent as we go forward is somewhat surprising.

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[HaulingAss]

Are you suggesting that there aren’t external third-party experts who can challenge the engineering of highly qualified in-house engineers and point out their mistakes every second of every day?

No, I'm not suggesting there aren't third-party experts who can challenge the engineering of the Cybertruck hitch.

I'm simply saying that hasn't been done. No third party experts have challenged the engineering of the Cybertruck hitch. Not one. Even if I conceeded that this was an area of particular expertise for Sandy Munro, and it's not, he hasn't challenged the engineering of the hitch.

All he has done is to cast doubt on aluminum, without knowing how it was engineered, without even understanding the particular alloy they used yet. He's not even a materials scientist. He's an expert at reducing the cost of manufacture, and Tesla has beat him at his own game. They are able to make a higher quality product at a lower cost than the competition can even dream of doing. Because Tesla has real expertise at manufacturing, besides their obvious lead in engineering and design.

 

[dalton108]

No, I'm not suggesting there aren't third-party experts who can challenge the engineering of the Cybertruck hitch.

I'm simply saying that hasn't been done. No third party experts have challenged the engineering of the Cybertruck hitch. Not one. Even if I conceeded that this was an area of particular expertise for Sandy Munro, and it's not, he hasn't challenged the engineering of the hitch.

All he has done is to cast doubt on aluminum, without knowing how it was engineered, without even understanding the particular alloy they used yet. He's not even a materials scientist. He's an expert at reducing the cost of manufacture, and Tesla has beat him at his own game. They are able to make a higher quality product at a lower cost than the competition can even dream of doing. Because Tesla has real expertise at manufacturing, besides their obvious lead in engineering and design.

I think he damn well does know how it was engineered. He said a thing. He didn’t stutter and it was no accident. What comes next, I don’t know.

 

[HaulingAss]

The hitch breaking is bad. It broke because it's aluminum.

Nope. The hitch broke because the vehicle was dropped 6 vertical feet onto a concrete curb (multiple times as the video reveals if you watch it carefully).

Yes. I understand this is a CT forum and most here do not want to listen to any criticism,

I love hearing valid criticisms of the CT, but the key word here is "valid" criticism, not simply inuendo based on stupid YouTuber stunts. The criticism has to have supporting evidence. Like actual hitches breaking in the real world.

I'm not sure what confuses you about that.

 

[SCTesla]

Nope. The hitch broke because the vehicle was dropped 6 vertical feet onto a concrete curb (multiple times as the video reveals if you watch it carefully).



I love hearing valid criticisms of the CT, but the key word here is "valid" criticism, not simply inuendo based on stupid YouTuber stunts. The criticism has to have supporting evidence. Like actual hitches breaking in the real world.

I'm not sure what confuses you about that.

I said the test was dumb, but if they used steel it still wouldn't have broke. It would have never blown up with 30+ million views. That's valid.

 

[dalton108]

Nope. The hitch broke because the vehicle was dropped 6 vertical feet onto a concrete curb (multiple times as the video reveals if you watch it carefully).



I love hearing valid criticisms of the CT, but the key word here is "valid" criticism, not simply inuendo based on stupid YouTuber stunts. The criticism has to have supporting evidence. Like actual hitches breaking in the real world.

I'm not sure what confuses you about that.

You’ll kindly present your “valid”accident reconstructionist credentials/CV for inspection, yes? Nothing about that video is reliable evidence of either the mechanism of failure or the mode. ?

Talk about hypocrisy?! ?

What are you even saying at this point, dude?

Let’s just stop! You’re flailing, embarrassingly.

 

[dalton108]

I love hearing valid criticisms of the CT, …

This is sheer crazy-talk! You’re practically a meme for being the exact opposite!

Somebody posted a complaint either last week or earlier this week and another member mimicked a response from you that was pitch perfect dismissive! LOL!! ?

 

[GuyV]

I’m sure there’s a Easter egg on the CT circuit boards with your name on it too, right?

You were moving towards sanity and now you’ve veered way off course. Are you fucking kidding me?

Are you suggesting that there aren’t external third-party experts who can challenge the engineering of highly qualified in-house engineers and point out their mistakes every second of every day?

I’m going to treat this nonsense and, I do mean nonsense, with all of the respect that it’s due. None.

It's been almost a year now since deliveries began, so why do you think they haven't? If a real issue has been raised why do you think Telsa hasn't noticed? They have among the best facilities to test and then address any liability. Munro has called out safety concerns before, what's different? Who is kidding whom, you've been joyfully towing with yours, or are you just gearing up for a lawsuit?

 

[GuyV]

You’ll kindly present your “valid”accident reconstructionist credentials/CV for inspection, yes? Nothing about that video is reliable evidence of either the mechanism of failure or the mode. ?

Talk about hypocrisy?! ?

What are you even saying at this point, dude?

Let’s just stop! You’re flailing, embarrassingly.

LOLOL, was that just you arguing with yourself? Sure looks like it.

 

[scottf200]

Wes [Cybertruck Lead Engineer + Reliability, Test, and Analysis for all Tesla vehicles.]

Wanted to answer tow hitch accessory questions with a few examples. There are many different accessories, but the relationship is clear.
To simplify it, when you increase the distance away from the hitch the load capability goes down. The 11,000lb tow rating isn't absolute.
You can think of it as holding a heavy weight against your chest, it's much harder to hold that same weight with your arms outstretched.
This is now updated in the owners manual online and in-vehicle to make it easy to find and clearly explains with more text and diagrams.

 

[GuyV]

I said the test was dumb, but if they used steel it still wouldn't have broke. It would have never blown up with 30+ million views. That's valid.

No, it is not valid because that wasn't a valid use case. Steel would fracture too if chilled below -20F. Are you worried about that as well?

 

[dalton108]

No, it is not valid because that wasn't a valid use case. Steel would fracture too if chilled below -20F. Are you worried about that as well?

Seriously, are you ok?

 

[dalton108]

It's been almost a year now since deliveries began, so why do you think they haven't? If a real issue has been raised why do you think Telsa hasn't noticed? They have among the best facilities to test and then address any liability. Munro has called out safety concerns before, what's different? Who is kidding whom, you've been joyfully towing with yours, or are you just gearing up for a lawsuit?

I’m very very very very very very very very very sure they have noticed. Quietly.

Whether there’s a there, there? Unknown. Presumably, no.

I don’t tow anything that’s even in the range of 11,000 pounds. What I’m towing should put absolutely no meaningful stress on the system. I’m not driving the truck off of any culverts either.

But by stepping outside each day I’m taking some calculated risk. I know exactly what my wrist tolerance is and I’m very comfortable with operating within that range.

If I was regularly towing a bespoke electric Hummer that I built myself along with a trailer that was approaching the 11,000 pound weight limit, I’d be considerably more concerned and you’d be a natural born fool to not be, if you were similarly situated.

For my part, I can tell you if my trailer broke off and caused me or someone bodily harm what I’d be looking at is “treble damages” ???

Because, these allegations (whether you want to acknowledge them or not for your purposes) are widely reported and known. Woe be to Elon if they turn out to be credible.

Your strident, sycophantic, unconditional, unquestioning support is not warranted amigo.

At no point, in any circumstance would I counsel anyone to comport themselves in the manner that you’ve decided to position yourself on this subject. I can’t think of an ounce of good that could possibly come from it, and I’m just not sure what you get out of it.

But, by all means, do as you please.

 

[Curt]

This is true, he's got a pretty good hate on for Elon and has been open about it. iJustine reviewed the CT a few months ago and it was kinda funny, she had to comment about how she disagrees with Elon on just about everything but still liked the truck. There is so much social pressure on people in certain groups (of both political sides) to hate the other side. It's sad really. Where I live and who I associate with, that's almost non-existent. You run into a few Elon haters and probably a few more EV haters but most people just have objective conversations about products and don't care about politics. It's also amazing to me that a significant majority of people are still entirely clueless about EV's.

Due to the incessant lies from the media, Americans have become raging, political fanatics.

Read Matt Taibbi’s book “Hate Inc. Why the Media Makes Us Hate Each Other”

 

[HaulingAss]

Seriously, are you ok?

If you can't win your silly argument using actual facts, just attack your opponent by questioning his mental health. That's a common tactic and is indicative of someone with no evidence to support their point of view.

It's very transparent what you are doing here, because you have no ammunition other than a Whistlin' Diesel video that deceptively didn't reveal that they dropped the Cybertruck multiple times (even the video evidence shows the battery state of charge dropping from cut to cut in a manner that would be impossible if the video was filmed in the sequence presented).

You question the engineering of the Cybertruck's hitch design based on nothing more than it was engineered using aluminum to distribute the loads imparted to the steel receiver, but fell for the Whistlin' Diesel video as if it was not purposeful deceptive (when the video itself accidently proves it was designed to be deceptive). That's what I call gullible. And unfit to analyze in a rational and useful manner.

I believe you actually believe the point you are arguing, which is sad considering that it has no real supporting evidence to back it up. The hitch has been performing flawlessly in the real world and reports are that the Cybertruck tows heavy trailers in superior manner to other 1/2 ton pickups.

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