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in that specific respect, you can bet this is “final”

honestly, all this talk about incredible visibility in the CT, I have long thought isn’t clearly squaring with the reality of the design. Maybe it’s better, but materially so?

It’s like people are thinking the driver is sitting over the front wheel so can stare straight down the “nose” of the truck

but in reality, the driver is far back, and the CT still has every bit as much “hood” as an F150 - it’s just that 1/2 the hood is behind the glass as a “dash”

This photo has been size-corrected for the assumption the two vehicles are equally as wide (you’ll have to trust me here, or read a long post of mine elsewhere to prove it up). Note that this means if the CT is WIDER than the F150, the dash is even FURTHER back than compared to an F150


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from the leaked photo at the top of this thread note that the dash if flat to the point of the bottom of the BAW.

Now look at this photo, which has been size corrected for both vehicles having 36” tires (again, trust me here or read a longer prove-up elsewhere):


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notice anything, as relates to visibility from the driver line of sight?

I’ll sketch it:

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Now, can I say for sure the CT doesn’t provide some fractional, single-digit, increase in visibility? No.

But are people talking out of their arse when they claim the visibility in the CT is better than any other truck on the road?

Absolutely

The driver sits so far back from the CT “hood” that terminates inside the cabin, blocking view of anything below the BAW/glass line, that it’s not obviously ANY better than an F150

And that’s a raptor with a hood scoop!!

add in the CT’s extending A pillar and b-pillar that reach effectively halfway out the “hood”, and all-in I’m not betting anything on the relative visibility in the CT

but don’t let that stop the kool-aid-brigade and their spatial awareness impairments

I can hear them coming for me/this post now…

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That might be right for shorter people but for me, at 6' 3", I can say in my F-150 I see a LOT of hood and that the hood really limits my forward visibility. Whole kids can get lost in front of my truck. In the CT, no matter how close my head is to the roof, I'll never see the hood, right? That can't mean there is less visibility directly to the front. I suppose what I'm saying is that I'll be able to see low things easier in the CT than my F-150. Now, the A pillars create a different question...
 

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Since the steering is electrically controlled rather than mechanical (whether with or without power boost), you may not have to/be able to turn the steering wheel/yoke past 90 degrees. If so, there's no problem knowing where your hand is, and no need or possibility for a motion like with a spinner on a round wheel.

Imagine a steering like that which is also a bit proportional, where the further from center you go, the more each degree of the wheel changes the steering. You wouldn't have to move much at all.

And the cameras can probably see better than you can (front as well as back). I assume there's a backup view on the touch screen.

Clearly there will be some different habits to learn, but that's true with different classes of vehicles as well (you ever notice the steering wheels on a bus? bigger and at a different angle than most other vehicles, but there's reasons for that). And for all that it's a pickup truck, the Cybertruck is not like others. For someone adaptable, it takes a day or two to start getting used to something very different, and no more than a few weeks for mental autopilot to be doing its job reasonably well, maybe two or three months on all the familiar routes to be as good as in one's last vehicle.

RTFM (Read The Friendly (actually F-ing, in response to clueless user) Manual)! The more you're aware of even if you don't relate to it until you use it, the better you know what's available to you. And at first on an easy road with quiet traffic, try the various features. If there's an abandoned parking lot without curbstones, put up some cones and see what you can do in a slalom; try for precision more than speed! In a similar empty but perhaps not abandoned parking lot, at first snowfall (or rain if you don't have snow), try a few donuts to get the feel (not too many, or someone may complain or a cop may notice). No big deal.
 

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I will instal a hood ornament to have a reference point in center of my Cybertruck.
 

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My rough A-pillar visibility calculations show the CT having worse visibility than the F-150.

F-150: 96 degrees at the bottom of the A-pillars to 142 degrees at the top.
CT: 65 degrees at the bottom to 134 degrees at the top.

This is all due to the windshield being farther from the driver's eyes than in the F-150.

Tesla Cybertruck Leaked interior Cybertruck photo! Visibility Comparison
 


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Looks beautiful...now if GM can execute!
I too am a little worried now having seen these photos. Remember when about 8 months ago Elon said the CT was in final review and some features/add-ons might have been dropped to get the price down?

I remember reading somewhere that the design team may have added too much to the truck only to have to strip it all back down to get price under control. I wonder if the bland-looking interior at this point is the place where some of the cost-cutting took place. The A-Pillar is large enough to high a semi not too far away coming at 90 degrees. There was a shot of the dash during the opening of Giga Texas where it looked like there was going to be a center console like in the S and X, but from the looks of the interior finishing, this does look like a $39K truck now.

I hope their plan is to under-promise and over deliver. We have not seen enough consistency in the interior photos to be sure at this point. We will all know when about 1M people converge on the first 1,000 trucks seen in the wild. This will undoubtedly result in either more orders, or lots of reservations being cancelled in hopes of improvements yet to come due to feedback, etc.

I am very happy with my YP (1 year), but I also need a truck for my work-related needs. I hope the CT interior looks better than the interior of the Yugo.

Tesla Cybertruck Leaked interior Cybertruck photo! 1685033038959


Image retrieved from https://insider.hagerty.com/trends/is-this-9000-yugo-the-best-worst-car/ on May 25, 2023.
 

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I don't need a bedazzled interior adorned with cattle horns, dinosaurs, snakes, skulls etc., just ventilated seats.
It’s a good point

little hard to say ,
That might be right for shorter people but for me, at 6' 3", I can say in my F-150 I see a LOT of hood and that the hood really limits my forward visibility. Whole kids can get lost in front of my truck. In the CT, no matter how close my head is to the roof, I'll never see the hood, right? That can't mean there is less visibility directly to the front. I suppose what I'm saying is that I'll be able to see low things easier in the CT than my F-150. Now, the A pillars create a different question...
Then I think you’re not understanding the post
 

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My rough A-pillar visibility calculations show the CT having worse visibility than the F-150.
Very interesting post, and visual, and I think it points to a reason to be curious about some aspects of visibility in the CT.

Personally, I presently come down on thinking there are a lot of good reasons to think the visibility will be very different (seems uncontroversial), and totally unclear which will be better or worse for people of different seating positions, heights, etc.

The only thing I’m completely comfortable saying, is that people bellowing how eg the Ct will so obviously have widely superior visibility than any other truck previously known to man …

… are talking out their arse, and expressing more faith than reason
 

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Personally, I presently come down on thinking there are a lot of good reasons to think the visibility will be very different (seems uncontroversial), and totally unclear which will be better or worse for people of different seating positions, heights, etc.
Agreed. The small triangle A-pillar windows will aid in regaining some of the lost windshield visibility. The F-150 looks to have some pretty serious visibility blockage going on in that area. Hopefully the somewhat tunnel vision caused by the long sloping glass and distant A-pillars won't cause too much problem.
 


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That might be right for shorter people but for me, at 6' 3", I can say in my F-150 I see a LOT of hood and that the hood really limits my forward visibility. Whole kids can get lost in front of my truck. In the CT, no matter how close my head is to the roof, I'll never see the hood, right? That can't mean there is less visibility directly to the front. I suppose what I'm saying is that I'll be able to see low things easier in the CT than my F-150. Now, the A pillars create a different question...
With 360 camera's and being able to see my truck accurately with view from above I do not need to look outside my truck at all when doing any complicated parking. I turn on the 360 view and trust it completely. I have never felt as confident when parking before.
 

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I will instal a hood ornament to have a reference point in center of my Cybertruck.
Probably don't need it, Cybertruck is supposed to have Hardware 4 (computer), which can show a 360º bird's eye view composited from its cameras.

But there such things as bumper guides (a pair of shiny poles, with option lighted tip), including some that are no-drill, if you can find a place to clamp them on.
 

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Don't make that decision until you sit in it yourself.
Oh ill be sitting in one

my crews won’t be however. I have to have the ability to fit 5 construction guys in a truck. While its more common for 4 to be on board, it always need to be an option
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