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i usually charge to 100% when go long distant. when it was new, it has 18% to 20%. I have to travel 12 miles(local) to supercharge stations to charge up 80% for local usage. Then I have to plan out where to charge on the way back. Remember, supercharge station are not everywhere like gas stations.
there’s your problem, don’t SC every time, charge overnight at home.
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We just did a 2000+ mile road tip over 12 days (2018 M3 LR, Vin 32XXX). All the way out to Moab and back, hitting 5 national parks in the SW. It was awesome. Supercharging while we ate and took bathroom breaks, free level 2 charging overnight at all our hotels.

To each his own, enjoy those oil changes and $5+ gas!
in NJ, gas is about $3.2.
 

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can not be the best car without 500miles range. I hope he will not disappoint us.
Seriously though, it's starting to be obvious that a viable system of chargers is more important than a single car's range. For that, 291.5 miles should be enough.
 

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assume the 300miles version is $65k. $65k x 0.2=$13k. yes.. I am willing to pay extra $13k for additional 200miles.

after 5 years, 80k miles. my m3 long range and only go 260miles on full charge. winter range is 15% to 20% shorter without turn on heat. It is still excellent car for short distant travel or daily commute(i charge in my garage).
I don’t think you carried through the math

it’s not just the $13k for the extra range, it’s also all the degradation of the other performance metrics of the vehicle. that is, itms not $13k for the same car but more range, it’s pay an extra $13k for an otherwise worse car but with more range.

meanwhile, a Model S is $75k for 405mi, in a vehicle platform that has been built around that weight, etc.

I can not believe new M3 long range is still 330miles after 5 years. Tesla sucks..
Tesla would only suck, in this respect, if they were *trying* to offer more range but couldn’t.

Thar Tesla disagrees with your particular desires to charge less on the 5X a year you take long trips, doesn’t alone say much.




Meanwhile, Lucid doesn’t sell a 500mi range sedan because it’s “better,” it sells a 500mi sedan because it’s $140,000


I’m no unmitigated fanboi if Tesla (some here have me blocked for that reason)

instead, I generally understand that Tesla is not going to make every car they sell materially more expensive to every buyer because some buyers dislike charging during even infrequent road trips
 


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Rivian offers a 'max pack' option you can choose. If Rivian is doing it, then Tesla sure as hell will. The leaked ~300 mile variant is probably a base model for dual motor imo, and tri-motor will probably 'start' at 350 miles which would make sense based on weight differences between dual and tri-motor variants (and no an extra motor doesn't weigh +200 pounds) and will probably allow you to go to 500 if you want to include said max battery package. I assume Tesla's max pack will probably be 10-15k extra though.

Regardless, I expect a lot more configurations on Tesla's website than people are expecting.
 

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I have M3 long range, it limits me travel around the country. I take 250miles trips 5+ times a years. horrible experience for long distance travel. Best car shall not give me range anxiety.
A 250 mile trip is 1 charging stop at most. And it wouldnt be long. Sub 20 minutes.

If you let the car navigate you dont even have to think.
 

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assume the 300miles version is $65k. $65k x 0.2=$13k. yes.. I am willing to pay extra $13k for additional 200miles.

after 5 years, 80k miles. my m3 long range and only go 260miles on full charge. winter range is 15% to 20% shorter without turn on heat. It is still excellent car for short distant travel or daily commute(i charge in my garage). I can not believe new M3 long range is still 330miles after 5 years. Tesla sucks..
Model 3 has increased range, and decreased initial investment. Plus, 5 years ago was 2018. Long range model 3 was about 5k more expensive and only had 310 miles of range. So the claim that it hasnt improved is a wild one. 20 miles more range for 5k less. Plus tax incentives exist again (for a while they didnt federally). When I got my model 3 in 2019 i believe I only got 3750 from federal.
 

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We have a 400 mile model s. In my experience this is the perfect range for road trips. The 2018 model 3 works but is not as stress free or convenient. I’m all in on a 400 mile CT. 350 is a tough sell. Less is a no thank you I’m keeping the Rivian. To each their own.
 


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Guys, which live stream are we watching during the event? Tesla only on X or a combo stream?
 

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Guys, which live stream are we watching during the event? Tesla only on X or a combo stream?
I am going to have the x one primary, with youtube running on mute. Cause X isnt as reliable but they will probably put a delay to youtube or something out of spite lol.

Then ill probablyalso watch a zach and jesse or farzhad watch along andpost a bunch on her
 

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I don’t think you carried through the math

it’s not just the $13k for the extra range, it’s also all the degradation of the other performance metrics of the vehicle. that is, itms not $13k for the same car but more range, it’s pay an extra $13k for an otherwise worse car but with more range.

meanwhile, a Model S is $75k for 405mi, in a vehicle platform that has been built around that weight, etc.



Tesla would only suck, in this respect, if they were *trying* to offer more range but couldn’t.

Thar Tesla disagrees with your particular desires to charge less on the 5X a year you take long trips, doesn’t alone say much.




Meanwhile, Lucid doesn’t sell a 500mi range sedan because it’s “better,” it sells a 500mi sedan because it’s $140,000


I’m no unmitigated fanboi if Tesla (some here have me blocked for that reason)

instead, I generally understand that Tesla is not going to make every car they sell materially more expensive to every buyer because some buyers dislike charging during even infrequent road trips
Musk travels around with his private jets. 100 miles range should be enough for him.
FYI, 40+% reservations are 500miles version. Does Musk know what customer wants? I know many people not buying EV because range. If I am rich, I will pay $140k for 500mi version.
 

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FYI, 40+% reservations are 500miles version. Does Musk know what customer wants?
I mean, Musk/Tesla are presumably in the business of knowing what “the customer” wants

“the customer” would also like the Cybertruck to cost $50 - that doesn’t mean it’s a viable business

because be clear: 40% of people with a level of commitment equal to a $100 refundable fee, specifically, wanted a truck with 500mi range, a 2.9 sec 0-60, 3500lb payload, 14K towing, a (true) 6.5’ bed, all for $69,000

Tesla can know the customer wants that, but find out good business reasons to not offer it

Which at one level, I get is disappointing and frustrating. Tesla deserves all the smoke they will get for that.

To be fair to Tesla, though, it’s not settled that they’ll never offer a long range, “HD,” version of the CyberTruck. Just not tomorrow.
 

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I am going to have the x one primary, with youtube running on mute. Cause X isnt as reliable but they will probably put a delay to youtube or something out of spite lol.

Then ill probablyalso watch a zach and jesse or farzhad watch along andpost a bunch on her
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