firsttruck
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Need headlight/taillight side cameras -
Intersection obstructions like fences/walls/shrubs/trees/parked cars, block FSD B-pillar side camera views. When view obstructed vehicle can not see cross traffic without creeping dangerously far into intersection. This is most common when view obstructed and high-speed vehicles are approaching from side. This situation exists whether you making left turn across traffic or right turn.
Full 360 degree view is not actually possible if there are objects blocking the cameras views.
This problem might be more common in city/suburban driving on East coast, Midwest, South. In Arizona and California the cities were designed more open with greater distance setbacks for buildings & fence/walls from roads. This might be one reason Waymo really only implemented public FSD rides in Chandler, AZ area.
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The Great Camera Debate - FSDBeta 9.2 - Watch at your own risk
**** only the left channel audio is working on this video ****
Aug 26, 2021
Chuck Cook
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comments from video
Some people even forgetting one of Elon's favorite maxims -
"Physics is the law, everything else is a recommendation" with respect to how reflected light travels into human eyes or camera lens.
Tim and Dot Osborne
Great channel with unbiased information on the progress toward FSD. I don"t believe that full self deriving, as would be needed for a Robo Taxi, is possible without cameras mounted somewhere near the front of the car looking to the right and left. Other wise, in the case of a BLIND left or right turn the car must "creep" out into oncoming traffic before before the "B" pillar camera can see oncoming traffic. Completely unacceptable!!! This has to change and it cannot be fixed with software. This is much needed and the sooner the better.
CĂ©dric Pomerleau
Honestly that’s what I think too. Add some cameras in the front bumper (pointing at the sides) and the car could see incredibly well compared to a human driver. And the lack of reverse traffic alert wouldn’t be an issue as you could park backward and those cameras will see way better than the driver.
I’m making that statement considering that humans creeping forward already put themselves in dangerous situations while moving their head forward. Imagine with a view stuck at the b pillars… I honestly think that with cameras further forward, we could have amazing FSD by the end of next year.
Eric Elfner
As a Uber/Lyft driver, I experience a wide variety of roads. Each time I need to lean forward for visibility, I think B-pillar is completely wrong for side view camera. Great content as usual. Thx
Four years ago, as a new Uber driver, I re-learned how difficult driving can be. You need to drive on unfamiliar roads, needing to get somewhere specific, with questionable navigation help, and an App and a passenger watching over your shoulder. You quickly realize how much of the driving experience you take for granted. I remember reading somewhere that less than 10% of Uber drivers stick with it for more than a year.
Chuck Cook
the cameras you are referring to, cannot see to the 90 degree left position. The B-Pillar has this angle but is positioned behind the drivers head, when on the headrest.
Chuck Cook
Center forward facing camera can only see 60 degrees to the left of center. its not about the gap, because in a desert with no obstructions the car can see 360 degrees. The issue with the camera position is with obstructed views to the left (in the US). Think of when you drive and have to lean forward as far as you can to see if it is safe to proceed. The B Pillar cannot lean forward. That is the issue I present.
Marius Meyer
Hi Chuck. I'm with you on the improvement of the cameras. My opinion is that they (Tesla) can add a side looking camera in the top corner of the front lights or somewhere in the light unit where it will be a benefit for spotting oncoming traffic at intersections.
Nikola Malešević
The problem is that it will nearly impossible for the car to get to the human level with the current setup. Chuck clearly demonstrates this in one of his previous videos where the car would need to creep deep into the lane in order to properly see incoming traffic in that lane. This happened in several minor to high speed major intersections with reduced visibility due to forestry or buildings close to the roads.
There's just no way around that unless cameras are moved forward. I have to try this myself - I think I will try to do some driving keeping my head stuck to the seat, just to experience how Tesla sees the world.
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Intersection obstructions like fences/walls/shrubs/trees/parked cars, block FSD B-pillar side camera views. When view obstructed vehicle can not see cross traffic without creeping dangerously far into intersection. This is most common when view obstructed and high-speed vehicles are approaching from side. This situation exists whether you making left turn across traffic or right turn.
Full 360 degree view is not actually possible if there are objects blocking the cameras views.
This problem might be more common in city/suburban driving on East coast, Midwest, South. In Arizona and California the cities were designed more open with greater distance setbacks for buildings & fence/walls from roads. This might be one reason Waymo really only implemented public FSD rides in Chandler, AZ area.
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The Great Camera Debate - FSDBeta 9.2 - Watch at your own risk
**** only the left channel audio is working on this video ****
Aug 26, 2021
Chuck Cook
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comments from video
Some people even forgetting one of Elon's favorite maxims -
"Physics is the law, everything else is a recommendation" with respect to how reflected light travels into human eyes or camera lens.
Tim and Dot Osborne
Great channel with unbiased information on the progress toward FSD. I don"t believe that full self deriving, as would be needed for a Robo Taxi, is possible without cameras mounted somewhere near the front of the car looking to the right and left. Other wise, in the case of a BLIND left or right turn the car must "creep" out into oncoming traffic before before the "B" pillar camera can see oncoming traffic. Completely unacceptable!!! This has to change and it cannot be fixed with software. This is much needed and the sooner the better.
CĂ©dric Pomerleau
Honestly that’s what I think too. Add some cameras in the front bumper (pointing at the sides) and the car could see incredibly well compared to a human driver. And the lack of reverse traffic alert wouldn’t be an issue as you could park backward and those cameras will see way better than the driver.
I’m making that statement considering that humans creeping forward already put themselves in dangerous situations while moving their head forward. Imagine with a view stuck at the b pillars… I honestly think that with cameras further forward, we could have amazing FSD by the end of next year.
Eric Elfner
As a Uber/Lyft driver, I experience a wide variety of roads. Each time I need to lean forward for visibility, I think B-pillar is completely wrong for side view camera. Great content as usual. Thx
Four years ago, as a new Uber driver, I re-learned how difficult driving can be. You need to drive on unfamiliar roads, needing to get somewhere specific, with questionable navigation help, and an App and a passenger watching over your shoulder. You quickly realize how much of the driving experience you take for granted. I remember reading somewhere that less than 10% of Uber drivers stick with it for more than a year.
Chuck Cook
the cameras you are referring to, cannot see to the 90 degree left position. The B-Pillar has this angle but is positioned behind the drivers head, when on the headrest.
Chuck Cook
Center forward facing camera can only see 60 degrees to the left of center. its not about the gap, because in a desert with no obstructions the car can see 360 degrees. The issue with the camera position is with obstructed views to the left (in the US). Think of when you drive and have to lean forward as far as you can to see if it is safe to proceed. The B Pillar cannot lean forward. That is the issue I present.
Marius Meyer
Hi Chuck. I'm with you on the improvement of the cameras. My opinion is that they (Tesla) can add a side looking camera in the top corner of the front lights or somewhere in the light unit where it will be a benefit for spotting oncoming traffic at intersections.
Nikola Malešević
The problem is that it will nearly impossible for the car to get to the human level with the current setup. Chuck clearly demonstrates this in one of his previous videos where the car would need to creep deep into the lane in order to properly see incoming traffic in that lane. This happened in several minor to high speed major intersections with reduced visibility due to forestry or buildings close to the roads.
There's just no way around that unless cameras are moved forward. I have to try this myself - I think I will try to do some driving keeping my head stuck to the seat, just to experience how Tesla sees the world.
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