Non FS what if.

[Gurule92]

The key part is that the product is available. The CT was not.

Second key part : subject to change.

Read your reservation agreement.

Where

That’s fair, but other than price and the 500mile variant (important to many I realize), I think they delivered an incredible vehicle that is hyped, just not to the CT diehards who waiting for a cheap 500 mile range truck

I'm pretty much only salty about the price tbh

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[Stinkd]

based on the prices for what the FS offers, and the tax credit, I think waiting 2 years to buy the vehicle makes the most sense.

 

[SmittyMD]

based on the prices for what the FS offers, and the tax credit, I think waiting 2 years to buy the vehicle makes the most sense.

I kind of agree there is essentially a tax on FS trucks, and your paying more for FSD than anything to justify the decision, which would be able to be done after the fact too to keep the cost at that 80k target for that fed tax incentive.
That being said, depending on your tax / income situation, you may not qualify for the credits anyhow.

 

[Aces-Truck]

I see somewhat the problems Tesla is facing right now with FS/non-FS. They had to deal with releasing vehicles when the pent up demand is massive. The FS was an attempt to let even those who reserved late, to possibly get one sooner. But that created a new problem. How to transition to standard deliveries, without upsetting those who ordered FS versions. The hottest customers would be those who locked in at the end of the FS window. So how to keep both groups happy? The easiest way is to take a few things out of the non-FS version. But they don't want to hurt range nor function. And there's no way they are going to offer the non-FS (AWD) at a price that kills the 7.5k fed credit. Of course that assumes that the the batteries components don't run afoul of the rules.

So what should they take out, to make sure the FS owners save aren't upset? Remember it makes no sense to remove things that either don't reduce the cost to mfg, or that hurt efficiency. So things that make sense to me are switching to A/S tires; color of seats/interior; remove the rear seat display monitor; reduced sound system. Those items could be available as add-ons. But it would likely push out of the tax credit price.

 

[HaulingAss]

Edit: I wouldn't be shocked to see the $79,9 turn into $85+ in a month.

It's really a $150,000 truck, once you consider everything it has going for it, but Tesla has to sell it for what the market will bear because not many people want to spend that much on a truck, no matter how nice it drives, how durable and damage resistant it is, or how capable it is.

 

[HaulingAss]

For me, the gotta-have-it phase is over. When the non-FS does become available, the price will need to be right AND I will need to be able to test drive the vehicle. I cannot make a purchase without seeing if it is comfortable and I enjoy driving it. I can always just keep my Model-X.

Do I still want it? Absolutely, but it will need to be a rational decision.

If you like everything else about it and only need to see if it's comfortable and you enjoy driving it, I can't imagine you would drive it and say you don't want it. It's that good.

 

[Adrenalinwill]

It's really a $150,000 truck, once you consider everything it has going for it, but Tesla has to sell it for what the market will bear because not many people want to spend that much on a truck, no matter how nice it drives, how durable and damage resistant it is, or how capable it is.

It’s hilarious to think people actually expect to pay 2019 prices for a 2024 new car considering the drastic increase in prices because of inflation. Comparable vehicles like the F150 Raptor R $120K and the Ram TRX $135K is somehow acceptable? Interpolate the graph prices and convert 2019 prices to 2024 and it’ll be close to what the Cybertruck should be selling for today. It’ll be a nice hand out if Elon is able to strip the Cybertruck down to the $79K level. Then again, people will still be whining about the low spec, plastic trims, and so on.

 

[Dids]

FS without the rebates total 11k after my state rebates. 31k more than expected AWD
My FS $110,000 all in with destination, sales tax, tags etc.
31k less point of sale means less sales tax, if non FS is 79k - 11k = 68k + 7500 FSD if u reserved.... possibly 7500 FSD moves it out of rebates?
Anyway lower price means lower sales tax.
My town charges excise tax yearly on vehicles based on current value, they sent me bill for $1500. They valued it @97,000 So for my new Truck I paid 7500.00 taxes plus insurance is more expensive on a 100k truck.
I knew all this but still went FS and I dont regret it. This truck is the best thing ever. My old truck is 2004 and cost ~5k repairs yearly. Gas ~120 weekly. $11,240 operating cost yearly. Yes I write that off. Truck is fully depreciated.
Cyber saves me ~ $240 monthly, my electricity is expensive @ .39kwh (yes getting solar installed, maybe) expect CT to have operating cost 5k first year.
Saving $6240 / year. ( do I still get to write off milage @ .60? Probably) can I write off electricity. It charges in shop with separate meter. Probably. Can I depreciate truck . Yup. Can I write off the payments. Yes! Not just the interest, the actual Capitol equipment purchase payments can be written off. My tax rate 25% so ~expected tax reduction $7650.
~14k savings first year.

 

[pricedm]

What will you do with your 20k, 27.5k, 32.5k (CO) savings?

*$295 All-Weather interior liners
* $115 Glass roof sunshade
*$40 Center console tray
*$45 Gear locker dividers
*$40 Vault D-rings
*$25 L-track hooks
*$25 L-track bottle opener
$1,000 White decor (current Tesla upcharge from black to white interior) Gray door panels, please!

*$0-$4,000 20 inch Cyberwheels with 35 inch tires; likely will trade my Core rims with all season Pirelli tires to another forum member for their Cyberwheels. Who knows, might end up with both wheel sets.

*$7,000 FSD
*$500 Lifetime premium connectivity ($100 per year; 5 years until I sell my 2024-2025 Cybertruck for a 2029 - 2030)

*$600 Powershare home charger (I currently have a 80a Gen 2).
*$230 Powershare mobile connector (assuming this is different from my 2018 Model 3 mobile connector)
*$1,000 - $2,000 est. Powershare/Powerwall v3 gateway so I can use my Cybertruck as a whole-house back-up.

Total: 100% of my federal + state tax credits, plus additional cash.
Net cost: approx. $85k for non-FS Dual Motor Cybertruck

 

[igs]

I can see the RWD MSRP jumping up a bit but not the $79,900 AWD version. It was strategically priced at this MSRP to qualify for the $7500 tax credit.

RWD still qualifies, they don't need both to make sales.

 

[Cyber Man]

It’s hilarious to think people actually expect to pay 2019 prices for a 2024 new car considering the drastic increase in prices because of inflation. Comparable vehicles like the F150 Raptor R $120K and the Ram TRX $135K is somehow acceptable? Interpolate the graph prices and convert 2019 prices to 2024 and it’ll be close to what the Cybertruck should be selling for today. It’ll be a nice hand out if Elon is able to strip the Cybertruck down to the $79K level. Then again, people will still be whining about the low spec, plastic trims, and so on.

I definitely think that the car is worth $100K, and I also believe that Tesla did everything to bring the cost down as low as possible. Tesla should have run these numbers when they disclosed the price in 2019 instead of being overly optimistic and bullish about the price. They disclosed the price that they want to achieve, which was far from reality. $50K AWD is now $100K. That’s 100% price increase. Inflation hasn’t doubled in last four years. Based on your chart, it has increased from ~38K to ~48K. That’s ~26% increase, which is accurate. Technically $50K in 2019 should cost $63K in 2024 based on inflation.

I love everything about CT. The high price is overlooked now because CT is an engineering marvel. Otherwise most of us now would be singing a different tune. There is no denying that Tesla got the pricing wrong in 2019. Let’s just ack that and move on instead of defending them. I’m sure Tesla is also equally not happy about it. I trust Elon when he says he really wants to bring the cost down.

They just got the math wrong for being too optimistic on the price. COVID made it worse. It is what it is. Let’s not defend it by comparing with other trucks or inflation. CT is an exceptional and unique truck, and there is a price to pay for that! No point getting stuck in 2019, and also no point denying about the pricing mistake they made in 2019. In the long run, I’m sure the cost savings will justify the price. Just the regular dent repair itself might save me substantial amount in next 10 years, and as others said there is good amount of saving on maintenance and EV charging as well.

 

[Adrenalinwill]

I definitely think that the car is worth $100K, and I also believe that Tesla did everything to bring the cost down as low as possible. Tesla should have run these numbers when they disclosed the price in 2019 instead of being overly optimistic and bullish about the price. They disclosed the price that they want to achieve, which was far from reality. $50K AWD is now $100K. That’s 100% price increase. Inflation hasn’t doubled in last four years. Based on your chart, it has increased from ~38K to ~48K. That’s ~26% increase, which is accurate. Technically $50K in 2019 should cost $63K in 2024 based on inflation.

I love everything about CT. The high price is overlooked now because CT is an engineering marvel. Otherwise most of us now would be singing a different tune. There is no denying that Tesla got the pricing wrong in 2019. Let’s just ack that and move on instead of defending them. I’m sure Tesla is also equally not happy about it. I trust Elon when he says he really wants to bring the cost down.

They just got the math wrong for being too optimistic on the price. COVID made it worse. It is what it is. Let’s not defend it by comparing with other trucks or inflation. CT is an exceptional and unique truck, and there is a price to pay for that! No point getting stuck in 2019, and also no point denying about the pricing mistake they made in 2019. In the long run, I’m sure the cost savings will justify the price. Just the regular dent repair itself might save me substantial amount in next 10 years, and as others said there is good amount of saving on maintenance and EV charging as well.

We’re not debating value but let’s get our facts straight. With your 26% increase of pricing at release, the numbers are as shown:

Trim 2019 26%. 2024
RWD. $39,900. $50,274 $57,390
AWD. $49,900. $62,874. $76,390
Tri. $69,900. $88,074. $96,390

Baseline to baseline comparison. Doesn’t look like a 100% increase when you compare apples to apples.
Regardless, buy what you can comfortably afford, I’m sure they will all drive the same (except the speed and off road capabilities)

Going on 4 months with my AWD and it gets better each day, regardless of how many I see on the road now in Ca (4 today, two wrapped, two OG)

 

[Cybertruck2024]

I kind of agree there is essentially a tax on FS trucks, and your paying more for FSD than anything to justify the decision, which would be able to be done after the fact too to keep the cost at that 80k target for that fed tax incentive.
That being said, depending on your tax / income situation, you may not qualify for the credits anyhow.

I think FS made the most sense for people who aren't eligible for the tax credit. A $72k truck is a reasonable (though pricey!) purchase for someone on the high end of income eligibility for the tax credit. A $100k-$120k truck should only be for people who don't qualify for the tax credit anyway. Two very different pools of buyers for FS and non-FS.

As long as there is an EV credit that saves other people $7,500 under $80k, I will never buy an EV under $80k again. Why should I pay $7,500 more for the same vehicle someone else is paying $7,500 less? The tax incentive has put me in a position where I'm only not being swindled on vehicles not tax credit eligible.

 

[FarAway]

How not?

2019: here is the price! 49k
2023: here is the price! 79k
2023 when it actually came out: here is the price! 99k
They literally baited us into waiting 4 years.
Even on delivery day they didn't mention FS pricing

It goes back to the chickens....

2019: dozen eggs! $ .79
2023: dozen eggs! $ 3.99
2023: end of the year, dozen eggs! $ 5.99

Damn greedy chickens are baiting me!! (Why is always the chickens?)

 

[Gurule92]

It goes back to the chickens....

2019: dozen eggs! $ .79
2023: dozen eggs! $ 3.99
2023: end of the year, dozen eggs! $ 5.99

Damn greedy chickens are baiting me!! (Why is always the chickens?)

Except. The price isn't 5.99 now.

And some inflation was already built into the prediction in 2019. And in 2023 when they delivered the trucks that already had FS badging and knew what they would charge. They did choose to not tell us that

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