Honoring Original Estimated Pricing

[Deleted member 3316]

Look, when your argument is 'this won't help anyone and it'll screw with PR and it'll look like a money-grab'...

I am asserting the exact opposite, your logical fallacy is so blatantly applied it clear that none of your interaction on this is honest.

I don't think you have an argument here. You have your assertions. Not even a decent plan that you can articulate.

You do not have any arguments you have blatant misrepresentation. At least the other parasitic profiteers are arguing their point from flawed self serving individualism.

Your argument is a strawman.

I say the sky is blue,

you say that’s preposterous there’s no way the sky is green just look up at it.

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[Mini2nut]

If Tesla prices the Dual Motor aggressively at $64,990 with the smallest range battery pack it’s going to deal a huge blow to R1T, Lightning and Silverado EV sales.

 

[Crissa]

If Tesla prices the Dual Motor aggressively at $64,990 with the smallest range battery pack it’s going to deal a huge blow to R1T, Lightning and Silverado EV sales.

Tesla isn't competing against Rivian, Ford, or GM for EV sales. All their EV sales combined don't match the Model 3 or Y. The EV demand exceeds supply. It's the conventional ICE-powered market that is Tesla's competition. And they're beating them.

I am asserting the exact opposite, your logical fallacy is so blatantly applied it clear that none of your interaction on this is honest.

So you're asserting the opposite of what you wrote? How can I be dishonest when you're the one who can't bother to actually explain your position?

You said they should use a market-clearing price, and of course it would be higher!

...But you also assert these buyers won't be from the reservation list?

And the reservation list buyers won't be delayed by all the people from outside the list (or later on the list) trying to get the 'market-clearing' trucks?

And the scalpers just won't try to meet the market-clearing prices? Why?

It's just nonsensical, and you refuse to explain in steps, what you're actually suggesting they do, and where these extra trucks come from other than handwaving that the scalpers magically melt away.

-Crissa

 

[Ogre]

If Tesla prices the Dual Motor aggressively at $64,990 with the smallest range battery pack it’s going to deal a huge blow to R1T, Lightning and Silverado EV sales.

How is $15k more than launch pricing “aggressive”?

It is more expensive than more trucks on the market today.

 

[Deleted member 3316]

So you're asserting the opposite of what you wrote? How can I be dishonest when you're the one who can't bother to actually explain your position?

If you cannot comprehend the multiple explanations, maybe ask a question rather than make statements of your misunderstanding.

You said they should use a market-clearing price, and of course it would be higher!

No, I said Tesla currently use a market clearing strategy in isolation.
I am suggesting a two tiered market mechanism that only raises the price for those that were never willing to wait in the queue.

...But you also assert these buyers won't be from the reservation list?

Here you are confusing what is currently in place with my proposal. They are different situations which is why you are confused. People who are not in the queue are going to get vehicles one way or another. The current market mechanism means you will pay more to mitigate losses associated with this.

And the reservation list buyers won't be delayed by all the people from outside the list (or later on the list) trying to get the 'market-clearing' trucks?

Not delayed any more than the already are. It’s just made visible. Which is the PR issue to manage.
People (like you) not understanding the queue jumpers were always there, pushing in, hiding under the coat of the flippers “genuine purchase”.

And the scalpers just won't try to meet the market-clearing prices? Why?

What is your misunderstanding here? If the only way for a for a scalper to get a truck is to compete with everyone else at auction, why would anyone pay more to a scalper rather than slightly less to Tesla?

It's just nonsensical, and you refuse to explain in steps, what you're actually suggesting they do, and where these extra trucks come from other than handwaving that the scalpers magically melt away.

What is nonsensical is your persistent sealioning and subsequent refusal to read what has been suggested.

 

[MonkeyDeLuffy]

hmm, I am optimistic about the price at this point...at least within my budget if delivered no later than 2024. 2025 macro econ should improve meaning higher price but at the same time lower interest rate and battery cost. So future is bright just not sure about quality...so far the staffing progress is quite stingy, people with good experience are a bit too proud to get hands dirty for CT rampup. After all those years, everything is ready but staffing at manufacturing floor. Ironic, or maybe sweet bitterness at the end of this tunnel.

 

[Crissa]

I am suggesting a two tiered market mechanism that only raises the price.

Finally.

So many words when this is what you meant.

-Crissa

 

[Deleted member 3316]

Finally.

So many words when this is what you meant.

-Crissa

Your post is very dishonest Crissa.
You are misquoting me again missing out very important context.

a two tiered market mechanism that only raises the price for those that were never willing to wait in the queue.

I cannot help you understand if you’re not going to read my responses to you.

It’s this sort thing that gets you banned so often.

 

[cvalue13]

so far the staffing progress is quite stingy, people with good experience are a bit too proud to get hands dirty for CT rampup. After all those years, everything is ready but staffing at manufacturing floor.

interesting, say more?

 

[cvalue13]

CAN WE ALL JUST REPETITIVELY POST “@***** IS RIGHT” ON ALL THESE THREADS?

@***** ’s original thread was locked down.

He made 3-4 more threads all on ~same topic.

He’s taken over 2-4 more threads, for being close to “his” topic.

He’s used fabricated ChatGPT responses as support for his topic.

He’s posted website “articles” as support, not mentioning that he wrote the article.

In those articles, he’s cited his own forum posts here as support, not citing himself as author of the posts.

He’ll stop at nothing.

CAN WE ALL JUST POST “@***** IS RIGHT” REPETITIVELY ON ALL THESE THREADS?

 

[Ogre]

It's just nonsensical, and you refuse to explain in steps, what you're actually suggesting they do, and where these extra trucks come from other than handwaving that the scalpers magically melt away.

I said weeks ago that ***** uses Big-Foot enthusiast logic.

Step 1: If you cannot prove their irrational idea is flawed then it must be true.
Step 2: They Ignore anything that illustrates their whacky idea is whacky.
Step 3: Accuse everyone else of being insincere.
Step 4: Repeat. Often and loudly.

CAN WE ALL JUST REPETITIVELY POST “@***** IS RIGHT” ON ALL THESE THREADS?

Or just stop feeding the troll. Someone’s been polluting the forum for months, taking over discussions, flooding threads with repetitive arguments. Just in general making this site shittier.

There is a button for that.

 

[Bill906]

I said weeks ago that ***** uses Big-Foot enthusiast logic.

Step 1: If you cannot prove their irrational idea is flawed then it must be true.
Step 2: They Ignore anything that illustrates their whacky idea is whacky.
Step 3: Accuse everyone else of being insincere.
Step 4: Repeat. Often and loudly.

All I got out of this is that the earth must be flat.



edit: Forgot to add to signify sarcasm.

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