Sandy Munro Shares A New Image Of Tesla's 4680 Pack

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Sandy Munro Shares A New Image Of Tesla's 4680 Pack
https://insideevs.com/news/506435/munro-4680-battery-image-analyzed/

By: George Bower
May 10, 2021

We analyze the 4680 battery pack image that Munro says "came to him somehow."

Sandy Munro gave a presentation at a “Charged EVs” virtual conference. The complete YouTube video of the presentation can be seen here, and we've also embedded it at the bottom of the article. The photo is at 7:32 in the video. Also, you can download the full slide show at the Chargedevs Virtual Conference website. There’s other interesting EV-related material at chargedevs.com website. View all their virtual conferences there.


Describing the photo, Sandy said “This is a picture that came to me somehow,” so obviously we don’t have a source. However, Sandy has been very good so far in his predictions, and this makes us believe this photo is legit. The whole video is worth a watch. Sandy discusses many interesting topics including Tesla’s mono castings and solid-state batteries.


Picture Sandy Munro posted of the Tesla 4680 pack at the Charged EVs Virtual Conference

Our heat transfer consultant Keith Ritter took a look at this picture and we would like to share his thoughts on what the image shows. Our speculations on what we see in this photo are on the marked-up photo in figure 2.

Tesla Cybertruck Sandy Munro Shares A New Image Of Tesla's 4680 Pack slide2-7




First, we notice that the cells are all inserted into what appears to be a casting. Call it a “mono battery." This “mono battery” is then put into a steel pan much like the Model 3's and then into the car as an assembly like the Model 3. There are no individual modules. The cells go right into the pack/casting commonly called “cell to pack” or CTP.

Next, we note what appears to be cooling manifolds (tubes) running along BOTH sides of the pack suggesting one pass straight through cooling snakes. In addition, we see what looks like the a cast, tapered stanchions that could be cooling snake connections. These tapered stanchions might be headers for the cooling snakes.

This is speculation on our part since we can’t see the cooling snakes. However, note the cooling tube connects sideways at about mid-cell height similar to Model S/X/3/Y cooling snake connections. The bottom cooling plate connections are vertical and at the bottom. Therefore, our earlier speculation that Tesla would use flat plate cooling is probably incorrect. The evidence now points to a similar cooling method as Tesla Model 3 as shown below.

Tesla Cybertruck Sandy Munro Shares A New Image Of Tesla's 4680 Pack slide3-4

Tesla Model 3 cooling snakes make a single pass between the cells

Finally, we note that all the electrical connections are on the top of the battery
The assembly of this pack should be much simpler than the Model 3 assembly process: Drop in epoxy cells for one row in place. Drop in the snake with epoxy pre-applied to the sides to adhere to the cell cans. Drop in the next row of cells. Repeat. We think the holes in the current collector plate are for injecting the structural foam into all the interstitial spaces. It appears the cooling snakes probably go from the bottom to about 70% up the cell can. They'd fill the rest with epoxy.

Any thoughts? Let us know in the comment section.

Keith Ritter PE

Engineered Compliance

Energy Analysis

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A whole bunch of speculation in this article.

Next, we note what appears to be cooling manifolds (tubes) running along BOTH sides of the pack suggesting one pass straight through cooling snakes. In addition, we see what looks like the a cast, tapered stanchions that could be cooling snake connections. These tapered stanchions might be headers for the cooling snakes.

This is speculation on our part since we can’t see the cooling snakes.


And then goes on to say "Therefore, our earlier speculation that Tesla would use flat plate cooling is probably incorrect."

Not only did Mr. Munro not state this (he really didn't say much about the photo), I don't think the earlier speculation mention was actually speculation. Elon said during the battery day that the 4680s would be cooled from the bottom. So unless we hear something has changed, I would still believe the cooling will be from the bottom.
 

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This photo is a seriously early prototype, I don't think predictions made on it are useful. ^-^

Unintentional red herring.

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