Self-Driving Tesla Fails On The Streets Of South Boston

[Ratso]

Looks like they still have some work to do.

https://wbznewsradio.iheart.com/con...g-tesla-fails-on-the-streets-of-south-boston/

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[happy intruder]

based on what I see at the last, it looks like it was turning left based on the nav that shows the car was supposed to turn left

 

[tidmutt]

Looks like they still have some work to do.

https://wbznewsradio.iheart.com/con...g-tesla-fails-on-the-streets-of-south-boston/

There is much work to do. However, I could also cherry pick a thousand videos of it doing incredible things. Drives of hundreds of miles with no disengagements. Videos showing how it tracks pedestrians even when they disappear behind objects, predicting they'll emerge and slows down to let them cross. You could watch a lot of videos and come away extremely impressed.



Of course, it requires more reliability than this to be truly self driving, but the progress is damn impressive.

Meanwhile Waymo sued the DMV to block public access to their accident data... seriously.

My favorite is WholeMarsCatalog's drive from the headquarters of Green Hills Software to Tesla in Palo Alto:



I cracked up when he posted that video.

 

[cybguy]

Got to love driving in Southie and Boston in general. But in densely populated areas where the need for Robotaxis is greatest we are still looking at the next decade before we have Robotaxis. The other 5% of the potential market it might be possible to have Robotaxis before 2030 if we're lucky.

 

[Crissa]

Yeah, the big trucks violating right of way are kinda scary. But not really FSD's fault?

The pedestrian waving isn't a disengagement - most cars wouldn't stop. Especially in Boston.

And we can't see what the car was dodging, because of the terrible camera angle on the screen. It didn't hit anything, did it?

A video that has so many cuts in it kinda... Well, you can't plot that route in FSD so not sure what was happening in the seconds before the cuts.

-Crissa

 

[Ogre]

Meanwhile, Autopilot is busy dodging things which the driver doesn’t even see.



FSD is getting better very fast.

Remember a couple years ago when Google’s computer beat the best Go player in the world and has never lost to one since?

Less than 6 months prior to that, even people at Google thought they weren’t going to accomplish it.

Machine learning learns on a non-linear scale.

 

[Crissa]

That's a several-years old video of a radar-equipped Tesla Autopilot.

-Crissa

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

Looks like they still have some work to do.

https://wbznewsradio.iheart.com/con...g-tesla-fails-on-the-streets-of-south-boston/

No matter what scenarios the tester encountered, and no matter what he thinks is the trajectory of FSD, he was given the priviledge of being in the beta testing program and his role was to help identify problems TO THE COMPANY, by pushing on the camera icon, and nothing else. His approach, to take a film crew out, knowing how they would report it, is inexcusable. I suppose he has gotten his 15 seconds of notoriety, but I hope he loses the testing priviledge, because his head isn't in the spirit of the program.

 

[Ogre]

One of the things which bugs me is a lot of people go through contortions to find scenarios where the car fails. One of them was repeatedly heading into a blind alley and turning on FSD knowing neither the driver, nor the camera could see well onto the busy road they were turning onto.

It’s like the old joke. “Doctor, I get a sharp pain in my eye every morning when I drink my coffee.” Doctor: “Have you tried taking the spoon out before drinking?”

 

[cybguy]

One of the things which bugs me is a lot of people go through contortions to find scenarios where the car fails. One of them was repeatedly heading into a blind alley and turning on FSD knowing neither the driver, nor the camera could see well onto the busy road they were turning onto.

It’s like the old joke. “Doctor, I get a sharp pain in my eye every morning when I drink my coffee.” Doctor: “Have you tried taking the spoon out before drinking?”

Sure, we should only expect to see FSD operating on empty streets or low traffic simple drives to see how it is progressing. Otherwise we can just count on hearing from Musk every year or two that autonomous driving will be here by the end of the year. Let's censure everything else.
Now please go back to China if you want everything censured. Seriously as an investor in TSLA I don't want to see how FSD only performs by cherry picked drivers that are approved because they also drive in low risk areas. Tesla will open itself up to lawsuits if it targets FSD drivers in real world difficult traffic conditions while allowing stooges to post driver's ed routes. These lawsuits will be from FSD purchasers as well as Class Action ones from TSLA stockholders.

 

[Crissa]

Roads can be unsafe. Like any driver, FSD should know its limits and avoid those situations or adapt to them.

Can't make a left over four lanes of traffic? Head right until a left, protected left, or overpass allows a better route. Three rights can make a left.

Bad alley? Turn around, find another exit.

Last night I got caught between a pit of a pothole and a truck, and honestly, I was tempted to turn around the wrong way in the alley to get out.

-Crissa

 

[BillyGee]

That's a several-years old video of a radar-equipped Tesla Autopilot.

-Crissa

I've had my Tesla since just before Thanksgiving and it's already avoided a handful of accidents and near misses like this for me. I keep in mind that I live in a population dense area with a large volume of tourists, but it still impresses me when it saves my skin from something I didn't predict.

It wouldn't through too much shade at full visual AP either, it still sees an enormous amount. My favorite so far was when it saw a car driving erratically in between two other cars ahead of me from the maximum AP follow distance. It kept illuminating in red and giving me an alert.

However, since the last big update there also seem to be a lot more phantom events that it's overcorrected for. The worst was when it thought a pedestrian was on IT going 80 and it slammed on the brakes. Still, I'd prefer it be too careful.

 

[cybguy]

I've had my Tesla since just before Thanksgiving and it's already avoided a handful of accidents and near misses like this for me. I keep in mind that I live in a population dense area with a large volume of tourists, but it still impresses me when it saves my skin from something I didn't predict.

It wouldn't through too much shade at full visual AP either, it still sees an enormous amount. My favorite so far was when it saw a car driving erratically in between two other cars ahead of me from the maximum AP follow distance. It kept illuminating in red and giving me an alert.

However, since the last big update there also seem to be a lot more phantom events that it's overcorrected for. The worst was when it thought a pedestrian was on IT going 80 and it slammed on the brakes. Still, I'd prefer it be too careful.

So how many accidents per year were you getting into before AP? You sound like a prime candidate for autonomous driving when we get it in another 6-8 years.

 

[CyberGus]

Sure, we should only expect to see FSD operating on empty streets or low traffic simple drives to see how it is progressing. Otherwise we can just count on hearing from Musk every year or two that autonomous driving will be here by the end of the year. Let's censure everything else.
Now please go back to China if you want everything censured. Seriously as an investor in TSLA I don't want to see how FSD only performs by cherry picked drivers that are approved because they also drive in low risk areas. Tesla will open itself up to lawsuits if it targets FSD drivers in real world difficult traffic conditions while allowing stooges to post driver's ed routes. These lawsuits will be from FSD purchasers as well as Class Action ones from TSLA stockholders.

Drivers agree to a NDA when they enter the FSD Beta program. It's not "censorship".

 

[Crissa]

Drivers agree to a NDA when they enter the FSD Beta program. It's not "censorship".

The NDA only applied to the actual technology, not their experiences. It asked them to be careful in their presentation. And has been since rescinded.
https://insideevs.com/news/539939/tesla-drops-ndas-latest-fsdbeta/

-Crissa

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