Side-by-side comparison of prototypes shows how Tesla botched the production redesign process

[cvalue13]

There is an OEM who has a manually adjustable air suspension that can be adjusted on the fly. This automaker also allows any height adjustment to be geotagged so that it will raise the suspension any time you return to that same spot (i.e. your driveway).

Yes, and as applied to pickup trucks/SUV’s safety characteristics, this precedent in sedans (including other OEM sedans) is to my mind all but irrelevant.

I’ve never said that that it would be *impossible* for Tesla to allow people to put the CT atany height they want under all speed/maneuvering conditions.

I’ve only pointed out that there are good reasons other SUV/truck OEMs don’t permit this in SUV/trucks.

Those reasons, in ICE vehicles, have to do primarily with safety.

Safety bring something Tesla is more focused on than even those OEMs, I personally think the odds are low.

At the very least, that people asserting/assuming that Tesla will permit this are out over their skis a good way

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[Tedacules]

I can't think of any vehicle where the radical-looking concept car was so close to the actual production vehicle.

The Tycan was very close 2015 to today.

 

[Rutrow]

I’ve only pointed out that there are good reasons other SUV/truck OEMs don’t permit this in SUV/trucks.

Those reasons, in ICE vehicles, have to do primarily with safety.

Safety bring something Tesla is more focused on than even those OEMs, I personally think the odds are low.

At the very least, that people asserting/assuming that Tesla will permit this are out over their skis a good way

... but this is 'Merica. Land of the free-to-do-stupid-stuff.

Making a car that can do 0-60 in 1.99 and top speed of 200 isn't a isn't a characteristic of a company that entirely places safety over desire.

 

[cvalue13]

Making a car that can do 0-60 in 1.99 and top speed of 200 isn't a isn't a characteristic of a company that entirely places safety over desire.

very true, and very good point

but someone who blasts a telephone pole doing 180 is news that makes Tesla’s hands clean

I control loss event 75mph on the other hand, not a good look

because - if we’re double clicking here - one thing to understand about the safety issues:

the CT has 4W independent suspension

at raised heights, the tire/wheel camber will be significantly off to the positive, creating issues of stability, steering response, uneven tire wear, etc.

it will also, btw, make for absolute sh*t ride quality at speed

this list goes on, really, to a degree that it’s not just about roll-over, etc., when it comes to extending an I4WS system at speeds

but hey, YOLO!

 

[CyberGus]

Making a car that can do 0-60 in 1.99 and top speed of 200 isn't a isn't a characteristic of a company that entirely places safety over desire.

But what if you've being chased by zombies

 

[Rutrow]

But what if you've being chased by zombies

Oh! I forgot about that...
Now... how fast are zombies?!?

 

[RVAC]

Full-sized pickup trucks are rarely offroad-optimized.

They're more capable than a car, but not exactly Jeeps.

My GMC Sierra has 4WD/AWD, but I bought the 4WD variant to make up for the handling deficiencies of a BOF pickup truck: they're only properly balanced when the bed is fully loaded, otherwise they're nose-heavy.

My use-case for this truck is fairly typical of FSPU owners.

It's possible that the Cybertruck will be different, but if they're benchmarking the F-series and Silverado, they're likely optimizing it for the same tasks as other FSPUs. If, on the other hand, they're benchmarking the Tacoma and the Rivian trucks, they're likely going for more of an off-road approach.

I point this out because a lot of people on this forum are new to pickup trucks and are just learning to see the market-segments within the pickup truck space.

Which is what I wrote in the first post you quoted, efficiency takes precedence over just about any other consideration. Bumpers on most Legacy OEM full size trucks are shaped that way for the same reason.

 

[CyberGus]

Oh! I forgot about that...
Now... how fast are zombies?!?

What about THESE zombies:

Spoiler: World War Z

 

[jerhenderson]

I can’t be the only one who thinks Tesla has nearly ruined the design by making the body shorter, narrower, and more boxy, while the bumper is much thicker. Thoughts?

looks fine to me.

 

[kbolt]

I can’t be the only one who thinks Tesla has nearly ruined the design by making the body shorter, narrower, and more boxy, while the bumper is much thicker. Thoughts?

Is this one of those expert level spot the differences things? I thought it was only like 2-4 inches shorter, so I know I'm not going to be able to see that difference between two images

 

[Rutrow]

What about THESE zombies:

Spoiler: World War Z

I KNEW you'd go there.

 

[kbolt]

2019 lifted vs 2023 squatted

I’d *strongly* expect the “squatted” position will be the ride height in all but limited “offroad” settings that are speed limited

collectively, the changes seen make the difference of a roadworthy production vehicle, capable of achieving marketable range numbers

This is a better spot the differences set of images. The bottom one has the Tesla Snub Nose TM.

 

[kbolt]

very true, and very good point

but someone who blasts a telephone pole doing 180 is news that makes Tesla’s hands clean

I control loss event 75mph on the other hand, not a good look

because - if we’re double clicking here - one thing to understand about the safety issues:

the CT has 4W independent suspension

at raised heights, the tire/wheel camber will be significantly off to the positive, creating issues of stability, steering response, uneven tire wear, etc.

it will also, btw, make for absolute sh*t ride quality at speed

this list goes on, really, to a degree that it’s not just about roll-over, etc., when it comes to extending an I4WS system at speeds

but hey, YOLO!

I'm sorry, but can you use less acronyms? Your posts are very hard to follow.

 

[Ogre]

Stole this image from @greggrtruck. I don’t get the complaints. The rear bumper is 2” thicker? That’s what you got?

The big changes I see are the mirrors and door handles. Plus the ride height which is adjustable. .

(Front end looks shorter due to camera angle on the bottom image)

 

[rudedawg78]

I can’t be the only one who thinks Tesla has nearly ruined the design by making the body shorter, narrower, and more boxy, while the bumper is much thicker. Thoughts?

Right! I mean the new design is TOTALLY different than the reveal prototype. Come on, Tesla!!

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