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I’m building a new house and adding solar panels and a power wall after we move in. Can anyone take a guess on how much extra solar panels/capacity I should add to my system for charging of a Cybertruck (and also a Model 2 in the future)?
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I’m building a new house and adding solar panels and a power wall after we move in. Can anyone take a guess on how much extra solar panels/capacity I should add to my system for charging of a Cybertruck (and also a Model 2 in the future)?
I believe that each Power Wall maxes out at about 11 KwH. You want to get enough Power Walls to run your house first and foremost. You can then decide how many of those you would want to have to charge your Cybertruck (etc.) and how much charging you need for the Cybertruck. If, for example, what you want is enough to get to a supercharger then you calculate out at a guess for the number of KwH/mile the Cybertruck gets and how many miles you need to go and divide that into 11 KwH/Power Wall.

As an example, we get maybe 0.25 KwH/mile on the Model Y (according to others, I have not measured it). If I wanted to get to the closest supercharger I'd have to get about 30 miles. So 7.5 KwH or more than half the capacity of a Power Wall. A Cybertruck will be less efficient. How much we do not know. So you will probably have to use a larger portion of a Power Wall's capacity to get that same 30 miles.

I happen to be of the belief that it isn't cost effective to charge an EV with a Power Wall, but it does depend on how much you want to charge the EV, how often you need to charge it, how many Power Walls you plan to install, how much solar you will have, how much generation you average on the array, etc.
 

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Formula is miles/day average divided by CT efficiency (unknown, but 2.5 miles / kWh would be a reasonable guess) divided by the average solar hours per day in your location (there are maps for this all over the place) = kWp of solar panels needed on average to charge the CT x system loss / oversize / accounting for long term degradation factor(s).

That being said, I wouldn't be buying Tesla branded Powerwalls for a new house. Watts247 has a sale on a better inverter (Sol-Ark 15K) and 25kWh of Pytes batteries (~2x Powerwalls capacity) for less than list price on two Powerwalls.
 
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As a general estimate, you can figure 1 kW worth of panels will generate 4.57 kWh of power per day (averaged over an entire year).

So you need 240 W of solar panels for every 1,000 miles you drive per year.

I drive about 35,000 miles per year, so I would need 8.4 kW worth of solar panels to cover my Cybertruck's yearly charging needs.


NOTE: I used 400 Wh/mile for my calculations and the 4.57 kWh/kW of panels is true for my location here in Arizona (latitude of roughly 34 degrees) with sub-optimal panel orientation installation.

EDITED: Corrected for a miscalculation.
 
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Be aware, if you want to use your A/C when the power is out, you’ll need two PowerWalls at a minimum. One alone wont be enough, per Tesla.
 


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I’m building a new house and adding solar panels and a power wall after we move in. Can anyone take a guess on how much extra solar panels/capacity I should add to my system for charging of a Cybertruck (and also a Model 2 in the future)?
This really depends on your use case, for which we would have to know more details.

Are you planning on charging your CT at home during the day directly from solar, or at night when the sun doesn't shine from the Powerwalls or grid? What type of feed-in arrangements can you get with the network supplier, because using the grid to store power is much cheaper than a powerwall, and then you can just install more solar instead of more batteries at home which is much more cost effective.

For calculating how much solar you can use this free calculator that does all the hard work for you: https://pvwatts.nrel.gov/pvwatts.php

Just plug in your location, and then the amount of solar and orientation you have space for on your roof and it will work out how much you can expect to get per month in Colorado Springs from 10kW of solar panels:

Tesla Cybertruck Solar Panel planning for the Cybertruck Colorado Springs PV.JPG


You can then divide each monthly value by the days in the month to get a daily kWh average output. In June that's 52kWh or about 130miles per day, in winter 35kWh or 87miles. (Just times kWh by 2.5 to get miles)

Note if you are building a house you will need a significant amount of roof space facing south at the right roof angle to capture this amount of power from a 10kW system, so this needs to included in your house plan stage, as it's nigh impossible to change after the house is built.

As a rule you can never have to much solar, and installing solar panels is cheap in comparison to batteries. Having more PV panels means you will also still get some power when it rains or is cloudy, and more importantly for a longer period of the day because you have more exposed area in the morning and evening periods when the sun is low, which works out to a much better average gain. Batteries on the other hand do NOT make any power at all, they can only store it, meaning the power has to come from somewhere else, like the grid, which costs money, if you don't have enough solar. Also use the winter months as a guide and worst case scenario, in summer you will then have excess, but on average you will then have enough.

You obviously need to allow for enough energy for your household use as well. The easy way to do this is to look at your last utility bill for how many kWh you use per month, adapt that to your expected consumption in your new house, and size a solar system to cover what you need using PV watts.

Let us know if you get stuck, or feel free to elaborate here what goals you have.
 

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Note if you are building a house you will need a significant amount of roof space
You're assuming the OP does not have room for a ground mount on their property :)
 
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Lots of info on the proper formula. To get the most accurate output of your solar system once you understand the amount of power you need to generate can be found at www.eagleview.com. True design calculates the output of every 6 sq. Inches of your roof accounting for shading of trees a d other structures.
 

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Tesla recommended me a 13.5kW solar system with 3 powerwalls for my 2400sqft, 2 story house plus charging 4 EVs plus a E-motocycle.
 

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Tesla recommended me a 13.5kW solar system with 3 powerwalls for my 2400sqft, 2 story house plus charging 4 EVs plus a E-motocycle.
Doesn't sound enough by far for 4 EVs. Barely enough for your house and one EV for 80miles a day.

How much do you drive per day?
 


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You're assuming the OP does not have room for a ground mount on their property :)
Yep I'm assuming he wants t9 know how much solar he wants to put on his house. If he has space on the ground he could do that too, but it will cost more, or at a minimum take up yard space.
 

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Lots of info on the proper formula. To get the most accurate output of your solar system once you understand the amount of power you need to generate can be found at www.eagleview.com. True design calculates the output of every 6 sq. Inches of your roof accounting for shading of trees a d other structures.
But how much does it cost to use it? It's fairly easy to use GE to get some decent info on a site performance, together with SAM from NREL. But simulation is only as good as the weather.
 

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Doesn't sound enough by far for 4 EVs. Barely enough for your house and one EV for 80miles a day.

How much do you drive per day?
I live in sun city TX with around 300days of sunshine. I drive about 18 miles a day. I was instructed to charge my EVs during day time and use the stored energy for my house at night. I'm the only driver.
 
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This really depends on your use case, for which we would have to know more details.

Are you planning on charging your CT at home during the day directly from solar, or at night when the sun doesn't shine from the Powerwalls or grid? What type of feed-in arrangements can you get with the network supplier, because using the grid to store power is much cheaper than a powerwall, and then you can just install more solar instead of more batteries at home which is much more cost effective.

For calculating how much solar you can use this free calculator that does all the hard work for you: https://pvwatts.nrel.gov/pvwatts.php

Just plug in your location, and then the amount of solar and orientation you have space for on your roof and it will work out how much you can expect to get per month in Colorado Springs from 10kW of solar panels:

Colorado Springs PV.JPG


You can then divide each monthly value by the days in the month to get a daily kWh average output. In June that's 52kWh or about 130miles per day, in winter 35kWh or 87miles. (Just times kWh by 2.5 to get miles)

Note if you are building a house you will need a significant amount of roof space facing south at the right roof angle to capture this amount of power from a 10kW system, so this needs to included in your house plan stage, as it's nigh impossible to change after the house is built.

As a rule you can never have to much solar, and installing solar panels is cheap in comparison to batteries. Having more PV panels means you will also still get some power when it rains or is cloudy, and more importantly for a longer period of the day because you have more exposed area in the morning and evening periods when the sun is low, which works out to a much better average gain. Batteries on the other hand do NOT make any power at all, they can only store it, meaning the power has to come from somewhere else, like the grid, which costs money, if you don't have enough solar. Also use the winter months as a guide and worst case scenario, in summer you will then have excess, but on average you will then have enough.

You obviously need to allow for enough energy for your household use as well. The easy way to do this is to look at your last utility bill for how many kWh you use per month, adapt that to your expected consumption in your new house, and size a solar system to cover what you need using PV watts.

Let us know if you get stuck, or feel free to elaborate here what goals you have.
This really depends on your use case, for which we would have to know more details.

Are you planning on charging your CT at home during the day directly from solar, or at night when the sun doesn't shine from the Powerwalls or grid? What type of feed-in arrangements can you get with the network supplier, because using the grid to store power is much cheaper than a powerwall, and then you can just install more solar instead of more batteries at home which is much more cost effective.

For calculating how much solar you can use this free calculator that does all the hard work for you: https://pvwatts.nrel.gov/pvwatts.php

Just plug in your location, and then the amount of solar and orientation you have space for on your roof and it will work out how much you can expect to get per month in Colorado Springs from 10kW of solar panels:

Colorado Springs PV.JPG


You can then divide each monthly value by the days in the month to get a daily kWh average output. In June that's 52kWh or about 130miles per day, in winter 35kWh or 87miles. (Just times kWh by 2.5 to get miles)

Note if you are building a house you will need a significant amount of roof space facing south at the right roof angle to capture this amount of power from a 10kW system, so this needs to included in your house plan stage, as it's nigh impossible to change after the house is built.

As a rule you can never have to much solar, and installing solar panels is cheap in comparison to batteries. Having more PV panels means you will also still get some power when it rains or is cloudy, and more importantly for a longer period of the day because you have more exposed area in the morning and evening periods when the sun is low, which works out to a much better average gain. Batteries on the other hand do NOT make any power at all, they can only store it, meaning the power has to come from somewhere else, like the grid, which costs money, if you don't have enough solar. Also use the winter months as a guide and worst case scenario, in summer you will then have excess, but on average you will then have enough.

You obviously need to allow for enough energy for your household use as well. The easy way to do this is to look at your last utility bill for how many kWh you use per month, adapt that to your expected consumption in your new house, and size a solar system to cover what you need using PV watts.

Let us know if you get stuck, or feel free to elaborate here what goals you have.
JBee, I may have to buy you lunch and we can talk about all things EV and solar power. And the when we both get our Cybertrucks we should definitely have a have our Cybertrucks side by side to blow peoples minds! 🤪😜
 

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JBee, I may have to buy you lunch and we can talk about all things EV and solar power. And the when we both get our Cybertrucks we should definitely have a have our Cybertrucks side by side to blow peoples minds! 🤪😜
Nice, so room for at least 8 passengers👍😁
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