StarLink for CT Tesla

[DFW]

Flat phased array flat StarLink Antenna
called
Flat High-Performance Maritime Antenna
New
Just like 787 or 777 or F-35 have. Molded into the plastic hood or plastic trunk lid.
Simple invisible flat antenna.
Very very low cost phased array StarLink antenna molded into plastic trunk hood or fwd trunk lid.
CT StarLink Model 3ysxct
Phased array StarLink antenna molded inside a Black plastic fwd trunk lid would look good on a CT.
Now
If high enough production rate may replace all StarLink antenna
StarLink Home
Drive your StarLink Tesla home and just plug your StarLink Tesla into your home cable system and you now have home StarLink Tesla system for free.
Lets hope very soon:
Every Tesla with built in StarLink.

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[ajdelange]

If high enough production may replace all parabolic Starlink antenna
Starlink Home

Star link antennae are phased array but they only steer electronically in one direction.

Drive your Starlink Tesla home and just plug it in to your Tesla into your home cable system and you now have home Starlink system for free.

Works great if you park on your roof. Otherwise, not so great.

Every Tesla will soon have built in Starlink.

Gues that depends on how you define "soon".

 

[FutureBoy]

Gues that depends on how you define "soon".

Perhaps in "two weeks".

 

[electricAK]

I recently looked into starlink. In the FAQ section, there's this:

Can I travel with Starlink, or move it to a different address?
Starlink satellites are scheduled to send internet down to all users within a designated area on the ground. This designated area is referred to as a cell.

Your Starlink is assigned to a single cell. If you move your Starlink outside of its assigned cell, a satellite will not be scheduled to serve your Starlink and you will not receive internet. This is constrained by geometry and is not arbitrary geofencing.

Super interesting. I'm not sure exactly why Starlink is set up this way, but there's probably a good reason for it. If this constraint is built in to the system, then there's no chance of Tesla vehicles ever having starlink built in.

 

[Crissa]

Starlink is built this way for cost-savings and testing. Their satellites are very small in comparison to the others that are handling communication. So they want to prevent cells from being overpopulated.

Surface cellular communication is very similar; there are only so many phones that can be in a cell because there are only so many antenna servicing it.

Satellites are worse off because they are so far away, they have to tune out the noise of all the other cells. On the surface, geography does that for antenna.

-Crissa

 

[FutureBoy]

I recently looked into starlink. In the FAQ section, there's this:

Can I travel with Starlink, or move it to a different address?
Starlink satellites are scheduled to send internet down to all users within a designated area on the ground. This designated area is referred to as a cell.

Your Starlink is assigned to a single cell. If you move your Starlink outside of its assigned cell, a satellite will not be scheduled to serve your Starlink and you will not receive internet. This is constrained by geometry and is not arbitrary geofencing.

Super interesting. I'm not sure exactly why Starlink is set up this way, but there's probably a good reason for it. If this constraint is built in to the system, then there's no chance of Tesla vehicles ever having starlink built in.

This is for the current Starlink home terminal. But Starlink is being marketed to commercial airlines so there will not be such a limitation long term.

Elon Musk says Starlink will provide faster internet speeds on airlines (cnbc.com)

Not saying that Starlink ground terminals will be set up for mobile use. Just that there isn't an inherent limitation.

 

[electricAK]

This is for the current Starlink home terminal. But Starlink is being marketed to commercial airlines so there will not be such a limitation long term.

Good to know! Maybe they are preparing to eventually provide the service in vehicles as well.

 

[Crissa]

Good to know! Maybe they are preparing to eventually provide the service in vehicles as well.

They are, but the equipment is larger than cell service and will be much more expensive. You will be taking the 'place' of many stationary users.

This is why in their initial plan, they were pointing out that their pricing would be geographical. This isn't just because city folk can pay more: It's because the number of free slots to talk to antenna will be more constrained in some cells.

-Crissa

 

[FutureBoy]

Along the lines of ground mobile Starlink terminals. Someone should interview the dude that had Starlink attached to his Prius hood to see what his Starlink experience was like. Not sure how far from home base he ever traveled but I'm curious if he could travel fairly widely and still get service.

CHP tickets driver with apparent SpaceX Starlink dish on hood (cnbc.com)

Oh, and someone should ask him what the hell he was thinking. He could have attached it to the roof or back hatch instead and avoided the CHP ticket I'd think.

 

[FutureBoy]

I would think that will put an end to all BEV competition forever.
Forget the advantages of FSD or Range or Features or Costs or Looks.
Tesla the only BEV with built in Starlink.
BEV Winner.

It's not quite so simple. Cities tend to have large population density (duh) which is not amenable to Starlink as it will potentially overwhelm the service and make it unusable for everyone in that area. Not saying there won't be vehicle terminals. Just that their use probably won't be allowed anywhere that has reliable 5G cell networks.

Of course, if the Starlink terminal was built into the vehicle (say on a CT ) the vehicle could be programmed to switch between Starlink and 5G cell networks automagically so that network was nearly always available.

 

[ajdelange]

It is possible: on an airplane. It is possible on a terrestrial motor vehicle too but it is hardly practical. People have taken their dishie and a tripod out in their pickups and used Starlink at remote sites. You will be able to do that and do it flexibly when the constellation is fully beefed up, landing rights all resolved and the single "cell" restriction removed. But if you are fantasizing about cruising town and country listening to streaming through Starlink with a phased array built into your truck you can forget about that. The cell tower/microcell solutions are much more practical and will remain so for a good long time.

 

[rr6013]

I would think that will put an end to all BEV competition forever.
Forget the advantages of FSD or Range or Costs or Looks.
Tesla the only BEV with built in StarLink.
A BEV & StarLink Winner.

Agreed and raise you 100X

SpaceX are in the position SteveJobs Apple Computer was in with iPhone 3.0 release back in ~2009. Apple could have rolled it own cellular network out for its hardware.

Now Starlink presents the identical dilemma. Elon’s first principles are straight line exercises to consumers — no dealers, no carriers…

Pools of talent, supply chain and factories exist for Tesla to roll their own cellular+SAT phones.

 

[electricAK]

It is possible: on an airplane. It is possible on a terrestrial motor vehicle too but it is hardly practical. People have taken their dishie and a tripod out in their pickups and used Starlink at remote sites. You will be able to do that and do it flexibly when the constellation is fully beefed up, landing rights all resolved and the single "cell" restriction removed. But if you are fantasizing about cruising town and country listening to streaming through Starlink with a phased array built into your truck you can forget about that. The cell tower/microcell solutions are much more practical and will remain so for a good long time.

This is kind of what I am thinking as well. Starlink would have to bend over backwards (redesign the system?) to accommodate 100's of thousands of Tesla vehicles. It doesn't seem like that is the goal of Starlink at all, so why degrade service to people's homes/businesses when vehicles can just use 5G?

 

[rodmacpherson]

Agreed and raise you 100X

SpaceX are in the position SteveJobs Apple Computer was in with iPhone 3.0 release back in ~2009. Apple could have rolled it own cellular network out for its hardware.

Now Starlink presents the identical dilemma. Elon’s first principles are straight line exercises to consumers — no dealers, no carriers…

Pools of talent, supply chain and factories exist for Tesla to roll their own cellular+SAT phones.

Just a reminder, Elon works at both, but SpaceX and Tesla are 2 different companies. Starlink is a SpaceX thing, and probably always will be. Dabbling in communication does not mesh well with Tesla's goals. It is perfectly right up SpaceX's alley though.

That said, I don't think TeslaBot should be a Tesla product either, but at least it is re-using technology that Tesla already owns.

I can't see SpaceX building terrestrial Cell towers until the Starlink satellite constellation is complete, and that could take a while still. I really don't see Tesla going off to build a phone company just to not have to deal with the incumbent cellular companies for 5G service in the cars. I could be wrong, but it doesn't make sense to me at this time.

Thier own cellular/sat modem that connects the car by either or both? sure. cell towers not likely.

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