Why is Tesla not releasing the specs for non foundation series?

[Cyber Man]

The wait for non FS is such a pain, especially after test driving AWD. It drives so incredible, and as @Killlbox mentioned in the other thread, ignorance is bliss.

Why do you think Tesla is not releasing non FS specs?

If the AWD with FSD costs almost $90K, it’ll drive up FS sales. If they are omitting a few features, such as ventilated seats or premium sound, then that’ll also drive up FS sales. If the specs are same as FS, then more people will be ready to pull the trigger.

Releasing the specs is not the same as allowing people to make the reservation. No specs no ETA. Why this drama and suspense? Is this some unique marketing strategy to build anticipation? I asked them yesterday and received this standard answer!

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[darkfyre]

I'm guessing they might not have settled on final specs yet? But it could be because people have an easier math equation to do if they know exactly how much the options cost.

On a different note, not a day goes by where I don't read a post here where someone is talking about how the Cybertruck was supposed to be 500m of range for 50k back in 2019. When I heard that, I knew it was going to be different when the truck actually came out and I don't think anyone who thought rationally for a moment would have agreed that was a realistic expectation. But here we sit.

Said all that to say, probably best to not release specs too early on something that isn't available for purchase. My $.02

 

[zachsmith]

The wait for non FS is such a pain, especially after test driving AWD. It drives so incredible, and as @Killlbox mentioned in the other thread, ignorance is bliss.

Why do you think Tesla is not releasing non FS specs?

If the AWD with FSD costs almost $90K, it’ll drive up FS sales. If they are omitting a few features, such as ventilated seats or premium sound, then that’ll also drive up FS sales. If the specs are same as FS, then more people will be ready to pull the trigger.

Releasing the specs is not the same as allowing people to make the reservation. No specs no ETA. Why this drama and suspense? Is this some unique marketing strategy to build anticipation? I asked them yesterday and received this standard answer!

I’m in the same boat- not-so-patiently waiting with a day 5 reservation. I test drove the CT today and getting back in my ‘23 MX afterwards, it definitely felt inferior despite being a pretty amazing car imo. The CT is on a whole other level.

That being said, your post kind of answered itself. The non-FS is going to be significantly cheaper (which has already been explicitly stated by Tesla) and will instantly kill any demand for the FS. I suppose people who go to the website now for the first time wont see any mention of lower prices and will happily pull the trigger after a test drive, at least thats what Tesla sales staff is hoping!

btw, the sales rep told me its a year wait for non-fs. Definitely a canned answer. Theres no way they have a year more of demand for fs. I would estimate between 2 weeks and 2 months before initial non fs order invitations. The $100k price is just too high for the mass market, regardless of how awesome the truck is.

 

[Cyber Man]

I'm guessing they might not have settled on final specs yet? But it could be because people have an easier math equation to do if they know exactly how much the options cost.

On a different note, not a day goes by where I don't read a post here where someone is talking about how the Cybertruck was supposed to be 500m of range for 50k back in 2019. When I heard that, I knew it was going to be different when the truck actually came out and I don't think anyone who thought rationally for a moment would have agreed that was a realistic expectation. But here we sit.

Said all that to say, probably best to not release specs too early on something that isn't available for purchase. My $.02

You are right, but we are so close to FS ending soon. Anybody can order FS now. I wish we could see non FS specs during this transition phase so that we could decide whether to get FS or not. Now we have to let go of FS without knowing what non FS specs will look like!

 

[Cyber Man]

I’m in the same boat- not-so-patiently waiting with a day 5 reservation. I test drove the CT today and getting back in my ‘23 MX afterwards, it definitely felt inferior despite being a pretty amazing car imo. The CT is on a whole other level.

That being said, your post kind of answered itself. The non-FS is going to be significantly cheaper (which has already been explicitly stated by Tesla) and will instantly kill any demand for the FS. I suppose people who go to the website now for the first time wont see any mention of lower prices and will happily pull the trigger after a test drive, at least thats what Tesla sales staff is hoping!

btw, the sales rep told me its a year wait for non-fs. Definitely a canned answer. Theres no way they have a year more of demand for fs. I would estimate between 2 weeks and 2 months before initial non fs order invitations. The $100k price is just too high for the mass market, regardless of how awesome the truck is.

If non FS is going to be significantly cheaper, that’ll happen with a lower specs. If people want to match the FS specs, then the price is anyway going to break even. So people will just buy FS now instead of waiting. Stopping FS without disclosing non FS specs makes it very hard for reservation holders, IMO!

 

[zachsmith]

If non FS is going to be significantly cheaper, that’ll happen with a lower specs. If people want to match the FS specs, then the price is anyway going to break even. So people will just buy FS now instead of waiting. Stopping FS without disclosing non FS specs makes it very hard for reservation holders, IMO!

i personally don’t need/want all the included fs stuff. If you do and have funds, you should purchase, especially if you don’t qualify for the tax credit, which the status of is obviously unknown currently.

The way i see it, the non fs might be the same cost worst scenario, but it certainly wont be more and will very likely be less. I personally don't mind the wait especially since my reservation was made early, which i can only assume will minimize the wait for me.

They cant offer fs and non fs at the same time because it would complicate manufacturing, along with the presumably obvious price difference.

 

[Cyber Man]

i personally don’t need/want all the included fs stuff. If you do and have funds, you should purchase, especially if you don’t qualify for the tax credit, which the status of is obviously unknown currently.

The way i see it, the non fs might be the same cost worst scenario, but it certainly wont be more and will very likely be less. I personally don't mind the wait especially since my reservation was made early, which i can only assume will minimize the wait for me.

They cant offer fs and non fs at the same time because it would complicate manufacturing, along with the presumably obvious price difference.

I personally don’t need 20K FS accessories as well, except FSD, but I definitely need the same specs (ventilation seats, premium audio, etc.). These are marketed as AWD/Beast specs and not $20K FS add ons. If they are removing all of that to keep price point low, I might as well buy FS. If manufacturing process for non FS is different, then that means the specs will be different from hardware standpoint too. These features omitted are not part of $20K FS. If we at least know the specs, though we cannot order, we can go ahead with FS. Stopping FS without knowing the specs or price of non FS makes it hard. Worst case scenario is bad - non FS might cost more if we start adding all those omitted features plus FSD and $13K worth accessories, right? btw, I’m also a very early reservation holder. Waiting is not a problem. I just don’t want to end up paying $110K for Beast for the same specs that I could get for $100K plus $20K worth accessories. Same thing with AWD.

 

[zachsmith]

Id be very surprised if they change hardware for non fs, except the badging of course (thats what i meant by manufacturing simplicity). The badging doesn't seem like much, but if they need to match badged vs non badged parts together it slows down the process and adds cost.

i wouldnt be at all surprised if besides fsd, off-road and powershare software are add ons, although i hope to be wrong. Software options are tax credit limit exempt so in that sense its a smart strategy. I think the new S/X 3 year software bundle could be hints for whats coming in terms of software add ons.

 

[Cyber Man]

Id be very surprised if they change hardware for non fs, except the badging of course (thats what i meant by manufacturing simplicity). The badging doesn't seem like much, but if they need to match badged vs non badged parts together it slows down the process and adds cost.

i wouldnt be at all surprised if besides fsd, off-road and powershare software are add ons, although i hope to be wrong. Software options are tax credit limit exempt so in that sense its a smart strategy. I think the new S/X 3 year software bundle could be hints for whats coming in terms of software add ons.

Ah I see what you mean. Hope you are right!

 

[Nidavellir]

I would think the differences will be Non FS will not come with FSD, it will have all season rims and tires, gray interior, no FS badging, no wall connector, none of the included FS accessories, possibly no floor mats

FSD up charge price
Off road rims and tires up charge price
Interior white color up charge price
Wall Connector up charge
Any accessories you want for up charge price

Also they do not want to scare away potential FS buyers

And even though it is not listed as part of FS price there is a price increase for early non patient adopters

 

[Boo23]

It’s more than likely a marketing ploy. Say you have a million reservation holders, for the sake of argument, 50% won’t buy, 25% buy leaving 250,000 people who could buy but are waiting. There will always be a percentage that if kept waiting long enough will just think f@%/ it and buy FS. That number and how long to keep them waiting will have been worked out months ago.

 

[rrolsbe]

The wait for non FS is such a pain, especially after test driving AWD. It drives so incredible, and as @Killlbox mentioned in the other thread, ignorance is bliss.

Why do you think Tesla is not releasing non FS specs?

If the AWD with FSD costs almost $90K, it’ll drive up FS sales. If they are omitting a few features, such as ventilated seats or premium sound, then that’ll also drive up FS sales. If the specs are same as FS, then more people will be ready to pull the trigger.

Releasing the specs is not the same as allowing people to make the reservation. No specs no ETA. Why this drama and suspense? Is this some unique marketing strategy to build anticipation? I asked them yesterday and received this standard answer!

The take rate with reservation owners will be much higher than with the None-Foundation series trucks; therefore, they could run two manufacturing lines producing None-Foundation trucks for reservation holders and one line for FS trucks for people without a reservation (or a high res number) who do not want to wait.

 

[SCTesla]

The take rate with reservation owners will be much higher than with the None-Foundation series trucks; therefore, they could run two manufacturing lines producing None-Foundation trucks for reservation holders and one line for FS trucks for people without a reservation (or a high res number) who do not want to wait.

That's not how manufacturing works. They aren't going to build a line for non-FS when the whole point of FS is to achieve profitability.

You have the option to get a FS now or wait until orders open sometime this quarter and accept delivery of a non-FS next year. Tesla is squeezing FS out to gain extra money as the line ramps to ensure that the CT can make a profit. Profit comes in scale.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

The wait for non FS is such a pain, especially after test driving AWD. It drives so incredible, and as @Killlbox mentioned in the other thread, ignorance is bliss.

Why do you think Tesla is not releasing non FS specs?

If the AWD with FSD costs almost $90K, it’ll drive up FS sales. If they are omitting a few features, such as ventilated seats or premium sound, then that’ll also drive up FS sales. If the specs are same as FS, then more people will be ready to pull the trigger.

Releasing the specs is not the same as allowing people to make the reservation. No specs no ETA. Why this drama and suspense? Is this some unique marketing strategy to build anticipation? I asked them yesterday and received this standard answer!

My guess is that the specs don’t change, just the stated MSRP and none of the FS items. No need to provide specs because they are well known. Also, Tesla ‘never’ releases specs.

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