Why shouldn't I Cancel My CT order and purchase the Chevy EV?

[electricAK]

Different companies do the EPA test in different manners. While Tesla was recently forced to be a bit closer than others, they still do a 3 cycle test (Tesla and Audi) and to my knowledge are the only ones to do so. It gives them a bit more aggressive results.

The CT may not fall into this because most real world testing has been closer to EPA than other models, but Tesla (and Audi) have been notorious for being way under in real world testing, especially at speed, than Ford, Chevy, Rivian, and others.

That said, it's completely legal and allowed by the EPA.

Also, in those 50 mph test and the 70, they do have to accelerate to get to speed...that's where range is the most important for most (on trips).

You seem to claim that the Silverado is actually only 10% less efficient than the CT (contrary to the claim of 57% less efficient made by Chevrolet). If that were the case, it would give the Silverado a true range of around 547miles. Forgive me for not believing this claim.

Sure seems like cherry picked data that is not representative of real world driving.

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[SCTesla]

You seem to claim that the Silverado is actually only 10% less efficient than the CT (contrary to the claim of 57% less efficient made by Chevrolet). If that were the case, it would give the Silverado a true range of around 547miles. Forgive me for not believing this claim.

Sure seems like cherry picked data that is not representative of real world driving.

1. Bad math. 204 kwh battery (estamated usable battery of the 213 kwh pack) at 483 wh/mi= 422 miles. The Silverado made it 434 miles. So it's using about 209 kwh, likely part of the buffer.
2. Again, these tests are done with people driving at 70 mph until the vehicle gets to 0 (or in some cases dies with the CT and the Silverado). They test are also recorded and posted online.

It was tested at the same time/road/conditions as a CT.

Silverado - 434 miles, 2 mi/kwh

Rivian - 345 miles, 2.6 mi/kwh

F150 - 282 miles, 2.1 mi/kwh

Cybertruck - 304 miles, 2.5 mi/kwh

 

[jimnycricket65]

Go ahead and cancel and then return to this post.

 

[electricAK]

It was tested at the same time/road/conditions as a CT.

And those conditions were what exactly? Perhaps it was flat, warm, calm, no traffic?

How do the two trucks compare in colder weather? mountainous terrain? headwind? rain? traffic? mixed speeds? I'll bet the answer is a lot closer to the EPA numbers stated by Chevy and Tesla, on average.

 

[SCTesla]

And those conditions were what exactly? Perhaps it was flat, warm, calm, no traffic?

How do the two trucks compare in colder weather? mountainous terrain? headwind? rain? traffic? mixed speeds? I'll bet the answer is a lot closer to the EPA numbers stated by Chevy and Tesla, on average.

Does it matter? They were tested on the same night following each other on the same road.

It's just an odd hill to die on. The CT hasn't even been tested by the EPA as far as I can tell. The EPA numbers are reported by manufacturers.

Edit: It hasn't been tested, yet.

https://dis.epa.gov/otaqpub/publist1.jsp

Tesla still states "Estimated EPA range", but 304 at 70 mph is damn good. So it's really irrelevant.

 

[Cyber Man]

My 2 cents - it’s not just about EPA. It’s the ease of charging that’s equally or probably more important. I have seen my fair shares of friends complaining about how non-Tesla charging network sucks. What’s the point of having 400+ miles of charging when you can’t charge easily or have to charge for an hour in between the stops?

 

[SCTesla]

My 2 cents - it’s not just about EPA. It’s the ease of charging that’s equally or probably more important. I have seen my fair shares of friends complaining about how non-Tesla charging network sucks. What’s the point of having 400+ miles of charging when you can’t charge easily or have to charge for an hour in between the stops?

They can use Tesla chargers for $25 (NACS adapter cost), but none of the Tesla chargers are fast enough to hit their best charge rate, yet. It's a fair concern.

 

[pricedm]

...Tesla chargers for $25 (NACS adapter cost)...

Sure, for a budget "Level 2" adapter at that price. But that's not what is needed for Supercharging. Seems like a little mix-n-match of concepts here.

 

[SCTesla]

Sure, for a budget "Level 2" adapter at that price. But that's not what is needed for Supercharging. Seems like a little mix-n-match of concepts here.

That's not what I'm talking about. It's to access Tesla Super chargers. The $25 was from a Blazer EV forum, not sure if that's accurate or GM is sending them out like for free Rivian and Ford are.

 

[JPfromTCE]

You answered your own question.

One truck is a first edition series at a 20k premium and they are being sold as fast as they are being made.

Another truck is sitting on a dealer lot for months racking up discounts and incentives for someone to take home.

Based off your post, you and Silverado seem perfect for one another

 

[Dirt Worker]

Regarding the FS edition: The $20k extra does include a minimum 7k-8k FSD value (likely far more once FSD is fully realized) and you also get a good 1k value from the lifetime connectivity, home charger $600 plus home backup ~3k, ATV wheels if that is your thing is another 1K (perhaps more once FS ends). All CT's also have a ~40% better drive train warranty (8 year, 150k mile) and larger super charger network. Not exactly worth $20k but you are approaching that figure. I would say if you want FSD then you really should be looking at it as more of a $10k upcharge even if nothing else you see as value.
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All true except GM covers "All Propulsion" 8 years/100,000.

 

[Cyber Man]

They can use Tesla chargers for $25 (NACS adapter cost), but none of the Tesla chargers are fast enough to hit their best charge rate, yet. It's a fair concern.

You are right! I also like how Tesla navigation takes care of automatically navigating to the nearest superchargers where you might find a spot. These type of subtle software features go a long way. When I was driving my friend’s Kia EV, it was such a hassle to manually search for nearest charging network. You can’t do that while driving, and when you go there someone might have taken the spot, and then if the payment doesn’t go through or the port doesn’t work, you have wait in line for the next one. Tesla network was just a breeze. The navigation system will automatically highlight the chargers. You just go, plug and play. So simple! I don’t know how good the software navigation will be for these other manufacturers who want to use Tesla network.

 

[tingmo13]

I own Tesla MY & Chevy Bolt-it's like riding a stallion horse and then a donkey. Cybertruck would be much, much higher level.

 

[Ray in montana]

The local Chevy dealer has had four Silverado EV WT on the lot for two months. Originally priced at $82k. Now discount and tax credit bring them down to $68,800. 200kw battery with over 400mile tested range and 10k tow. Zero to Sixty in 5.5 sec. larger front storage. Spare tire. Center dash display. 4WD Full Independent suspension on Eight lug rims and floating axles.

Downside -No four wheel steering by wire, Stainless, FSD, Cast unibody frame or adjustable air suspension.

I am a day one reserve and sick of waiting nearly five years while the guy down the street was dumb enough to cough up and extra 20k to jump ahead in line.

What am I missing?

You should go for the Chev. I'm a CT owner and for me it is the most amazing vehicle i have ever owned. But lt's not for everyone.

 

[CyberT]

You could charge the battery to the same KwH as the CT and get roughly the same range. Again, this isn't a great talking point. The Silverado is the only EV that suits long range driving and towing. That's not for everyone, but it's important for some.

Also, on fast chargers, the Silverado actually charges faster than the CT (currently). It has an insane charging curve and holds high rates of charge longer than any vehicle on the market.

It's not for everyone, but there's obviously a lot of CT reservation holders that wanted 500 miles of range. They are much closer to that with the Silverado.

Your points are noted, and I agree with you. My point about DC Fast charging is the availability of reliable 350kwh is slim today compared to the wide availability of 250kwh Superchargers. But my main point was the time it would take to charge up that 200kwh+ massive battery using an LVL2 charger in your garage vs the 123kwh battery the CT uses.

For some, the 400+ miles of range or 200+ of towing makes it an easy decision, but for the majority of truck owners, the smaller, faster-charging battery the CT has is a clear choice.

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