Wolverine .v. Maverick.vs.Cyberttruck

rr6013

Well-known member
First Name
Rex
Joined
Apr 22, 2020
Messages
576
Reaction score
490
Location
Piedras Gordas Panama
Website
shorttakes.substack.com
Vehicles
1997 Tahoe 2 door 4x4
Occupation
Retired software developer and heavy commercial design builder
Country flag
CF677BBC-E972-45A9-B658-2185ED3A72EC.png

Wolverine==F-150
Cybertruck==F-250

3C12B923-7C2F-4FA3-A7BA-135B75BC237D.jpeg





Advertisement

 
Last edited:

CyberMoose

Well-known member
First Name
Jacob
Joined
Aug 19, 2020
Messages
698
Reaction score
986
Location
Canada
Vehicles
Cybertruck
Country flag
The Cybertruck is the size of the F-150, not the F-250 Super Duty. The length is basically the same and the height is supposed to be basically the same too, although we don't know what position the suspension it is at each height.
 

firsttruck

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 25, 2020
Messages
632
Reaction score
722
Location
mx
Vehicles
none
Country flag
The Cybertruck is much shorter than all 2020 or 2021 Ford F-250 crew cab.

There are different lengths for F-150 models.

The Cybertruck is shorter than many Ford F-150s.

The Cybertruck cab is supercrew size with 6.5ft bed (total 231.7 in 5,885 mm) is much shorter than Ford F-150 SuperCrew with 6.5ft bed ( total 243.7 in. 6,190 mm).

The Cybertruck with 6.5ft bed is same length as Ford F-150 SuperCrew with only 5.5ft bed.


examples

2020 Ford F-150 XLT 4dr SuperCrew 4WD with 6.5ft bed and 5.0L 8cyl
Curb weight 4913 lbs.
Ground clearance 9.3 in.
Height 77.3 in.
Length 243.7 in. (6,190 mm)
Wheel base 156.8 in. ( 3,983 mm)
Maximum payload 2,080 lbs.
Maximum towing capacity 13,000 lbs.
Width 79.9 in.
https://www.edmunds.com/ford/f-150/2020/supercrew/features-specs/


2020 Ford F-150 Lariat 4dr SuperCrew 4WD with 5.5ft bed and 2.7L turbo 6cyl
Curb weight 4858 lbs.
Ground clearance 9.4 in.
Height 77.2 in.
Length 231.9 in. (5,890 mm)
Wheel base 145.0 in. ( 3,683 mm)
Maximum payload 1,690 lbs.
Maximum towing capacity 12,700 lbs.
Width 79.9 in.
https://www.edmunds.com/ford/f-150/2020/supercrew/features-specs/



Tesla_Cybertruck
Length 231.7 in (5,885 mm)
Width 79.8 in (2,027 mm)
Height 75 in (1,905 mm)
Maximum payload 3,500 lbs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Cybertruck
 
Last edited:
OP
OP
rr6013

rr6013

Well-known member
First Name
Rex
Joined
Apr 22, 2020
Messages
576
Reaction score
490
Location
Piedras Gordas Panama
Website
shorttakes.substack.com
Vehicles
1997 Tahoe 2 door 4x4
Occupation
Retired software developer and heavy commercial design builder
Country flag
F-250 Specifications
Wheelbase141.6 (Regular Cab)
148.0" (SWB SuperCab); 164.2" (LWB SuperCab)
159.8" (SWB Crew Cab); 176.0" (LWB Crew Cab)
CYBERTRUCK Specification
CT3
Wheelbase: 149.9
Overall Length: 224.7 <3% decrease>
Overall Width: 78.3
Overall Height: 75
Payload: 3500#
Towing: 14000#
 

CyberMoose

Well-known member
First Name
Jacob
Joined
Aug 19, 2020
Messages
698
Reaction score
986
Location
Canada
Vehicles
Cybertruck
Country flag
F-250 Specifications
Wheelbase141.6 (Regular Cab)
148.0" (SWB SuperCab); 164.2" (LWB SuperCab)
159.8" (SWB Crew Cab); 176.0" (LWB Crew Cab)
CYBERTRUCK Specification
CT3
Wheelbase: 149.9
Overall Length: 224.7 <3% decrease>
Overall Width: 78.3
Overall Height: 75
Payload: 3500#
Towing: 14000#
The wheel base doesn't matter when we are discussing the physical dimensions of the Cybertruck vs other trucks.

Also I wouldn't assume that the 3% is necessarily coming off of the length of the vehicle. The Cybertrucks original size was going to be reduced by up to 5% to fit in a standard garage. Elon then said that was too small and it would be closer to the prototype model. Then he said that the Cybertruck would be about 3% smaller and the reasoning he gave is that you don't want to be a couple inches too big for the tunnel. We can't be sure in what way the Cybertruck will be 3%, it could be 3% overall or possibly just width to solve the tunnel issue.

But if we are taking about the overall size of the Cybertruck with the information that we have right now, it's basically the same size as a normal F-150.
 

firsttruck

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 25, 2020
Messages
632
Reaction score
722
Location
mx
Vehicles
none
Country flag
CF677BBC-E972-45A9-B658-2185ED3A72EC.png

Wolverine==F-150
Cybertruck==F-250

3C12B923-7C2F-4FA3-A7BA-135B75BC237D.jpeg

In the 1st picture all the drawings appear to be Supercab but the bed lengths are different.

In the 2nd picture the cabin & bed length are not specified in most cases and wheelbase varies with both those characteristics. Also model year should be mentioned because these stats can change significantly from model & year. What is use of the table if it does not list consistent cab sizes & bed sizes or otherwise the most common cab & bed sizes?


Looking at the length for the F-250 in the 2nd picture, the values listed are a lot shorter than those of 2020/2021 Ford F-250 Supercab with 6.8ft bed.
2020 Ford F-250 XLT 4dr SuperCrew 4WD with 6.8ft bed
Length 250.0 in. ( 6,350 mm)
Wheel base 159.8 in. ( 4,059 mm)
 
Last edited:

Crissa

Well-known member
First Name
Crissa
Joined
Jul 8, 2020
Messages
5,073
Reaction score
6,253
Location
Santa Cruz
Vehicles
2014 Zero S, 2013 Mazda 3
Country flag
Yeah, the Cybertruck has a shorter/lower nose, same height and dimentions of the F-150 but yes, its wheels are out as if it were the larger truck.

-Crissa
 

Pappy

Well-known member
First Name
Mike
Joined
Dec 31, 2019
Messages
106
Reaction score
137
Location
Hesperus, Colorado
Vehicles
Toyota Hybrid Corolla, F250
Occupation
Retired Underground Coal Miner
Country flag
Is the CT gonna have some kinda special tires and wheels? I was boasting about the 2130 load capacity on the Ford PB but was told to look at the sticker inside the door jam. 2130 became 1586 due to tires and wheels.
 

Firetruck41

Well-known member
First Name
Ben
Joined
Jan 1, 2021
Messages
133
Reaction score
205
Location
SW Washington
Vehicles
2013 Leaf, 2017 Bolt, 2010 Ram 2500 Megacab
Country flag
Is the CT gonna have some kinda special tires and wheels? I was boasting about the 2130 load capacity on the Ford PB but was told to look at the sticker inside the door jam. 2130 became 1586 due to tires and wheels.
Doubtful that the Ford (not sure what a PB is) reduced payload capacity from whatever the advertised max is, was due purely to tires. It could be due to diff ratio, transmission choice, bed length, cab type, weight of other options, etc. The "big" wheel packages do reduce capacity too, but a lot of other factors involved in truck payload capacities.
Standard "D", or definitely "E" rated tires should be able to easily meet the load capacities the Cybertruck advertises.
 

Pappy

Well-known member
First Name
Mike
Joined
Dec 31, 2019
Messages
106
Reaction score
137
Location
Hesperus, Colorado
Vehicles
Toyota Hybrid Corolla, F250
Occupation
Retired Underground Coal Miner
Country flag
Doubtful that the Ford (not sure what a PB is) reduced payload capacity from whatever the advertised max is, was due purely to tires. It could be due to diff ratio, transmission choice, bed length, cab type, weight of other options, etc. The "big" wheel packages do reduce capacity too, but a lot of other factors involved in truck payload capacities.
Standard "D", or definitely "E" rated tires should be able to easily meet the load capacities the Cybertruck advertises.
PB= 2021 F150 Powerboost Hybrid, specs on the payload state 2120 not 2130 as I thought, sticker on the door jam corrected payload down to 1586, may wanna check your door jam? I don’t know? But the sticker does reference tire/wheels.
 

Crissa

Well-known member
First Name
Crissa
Joined
Jul 8, 2020
Messages
5,073
Reaction score
6,253
Location
Santa Cruz
Vehicles
2014 Zero S, 2013 Mazda 3
Country flag
Yeah, getting the big rims and fancy tires on the Model S Plaid, (as a terrible for-instance) reduces the actual performance rating on the Monroney sticker.

So yes, they could change the cargo as well. We'll just have to wait and see what the options are.

-Crissa
 

Firetruck41

Well-known member
First Name
Ben
Joined
Jan 1, 2021
Messages
133
Reaction score
205
Location
SW Washington
Vehicles
2013 Leaf, 2017 Bolt, 2010 Ram 2500 Megacab
Country flag
PB= 2021 F150 Powerboost Hybrid, specs on the payload state 2120 not 2130 as I thought, sticker on the door jam corrected payload down to 1586, may wanna check your door jam? I don’t know? But the sticker does reference tire/wheels.
Ok, Powerboost, got it. The advertised 2120 max payload capacity is for a very specific configuration that almost no one will ever buy. Every different configuration will affect the payload of the truck, every option, differential gearing, cab size, bed size, sunroof, leather trim, wheel and tire options, etc... Every truck will have their specific payload on the sticker on the door jam, which also has the tire information. However, it isn't the wheels/tires alone which have reduced the payload, it is every (little or big) thing that is different than that specific max tow/payload configuration that is referenced in the brochure/advertising.
 

Crissa

Well-known member
First Name
Crissa
Joined
Jul 8, 2020
Messages
5,073
Reaction score
6,253
Location
Santa Cruz
Vehicles
2014 Zero S, 2013 Mazda 3
Country flag
Yeah, the wheels do change it... But everything does! Everything adds some amount weight, and take away. Sometimes you can choose a part that's lighter but more expensive, usually it's just not choosing a part. Other things add capability, like different motors and shocks and tires and cooling systems. So they add capacity.

-Crissa
 

ThomasG

Active member
Joined
Jun 15, 2020
Messages
33
Reaction score
25
Location
Floirda
Vehicles
F150, Subaru Forester
Country flag
Width does matter in maneuvering trucks around town. When you get to F150 size, you really don't want any more width, especially in most parking lots. As to F150 SuperCrews, they are available with the 6.5' beds, but finding one is really hard. They tend to be special orders and most of the ones in the SE are in fleets that need the extra bed space for jobs. They won't let you order the 8' bed. The longer bed on the CT is a real advantage if the CT is the same size as the F150 SuperCrew with the 5.5' bed.

The PowerBoost (aka hybrid) loses about 1,100 pounds of payload capacity to the EcoBoost 3.5 (3,250 vs. 2,120) They have pretty much the same engine, but the PowerBoost adds an electric motor and battery which costs payload on the chassis.

The PowerBoost also loses about 1,300 pounds of towing capacity, but is still capable of 12,700 pounds towing, so no slouch there. Numbers based on Motor Trend reporting on the SuperCab, not the SuperCrew. The SuperCrew would have to be a little less for towing and payload.

In short, the F150 will have the towing edge over the CT until you get the tri-motor and the CT gets the edge on payload across the board.

It is going to take a Raptor to beat the single motor CT for acceleration and the dual and tri-motors will stomp the Raptor. The figures I've seen for the V-8 and Eco/PowerBoost variants pretty much match the single motor. I haven't seen any word yet on the EV F150 performance.

Turning radius will be interesting to see for the CT. We joke about 71 point turns on the F150. The Ram is a little better; I have not driven a Silverado. The 2021 F150 4x4 is a bit better than the 2012 2wd, both SuperCrews. Not sure if that applies to the 2021 2wd.

Car and Driver says Ford appears to have a "range extender" kit in the works for the F150 EV similar to the thing BMW has for the i3. Basically, it is a small generator for the bed. You could probably come up with a good design that would be quite efficient, but I wonder how many miles it will add for hour of run time. It would be very cool if multi-fuel so you could use propane for better emissions. Small engines tend to run dirty and I wonder if these things are exempt from emission requirements.

Until you get into the ICE vs EV debate, the CT will give the F150 a tough time on bed space and performance, but the F150 will win on towing until you go to the tri motor. I just wish the CT was on the market so we could make real comparisons.
 
OP
OP
rr6013

rr6013

Well-known member
First Name
Rex
Joined
Apr 22, 2020
Messages
576
Reaction score
490
Location
Piedras Gordas Panama
Website
shorttakes.substack.com
Vehicles
1997 Tahoe 2 door 4x4
Occupation
Retired software developer and heavy commercial design builder
Country flag
It is going to take a Raptor to beat the single motor CT for acceleration and the dual
Yeah, Elon’s going to let FORD fly that flag. Sure.

Such an oversight would betray the Cybertruck launch message, weaken Tesla reputational argument and provide FORD ammunition to craft F-150 marketing bullets.

I’m convinced Raptor is next up in the tug’O war challenge. RWD CT1 is the perfect foil.
 

Advertisement





 


Advertisement
Top