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WSJ Live: Elon: U.S. should not have charger subsidy or EV buyer subsidy, Cybertruck, Billionaire taxes

Elon: U.S. Congress BBB bill, it would be better to cancel all EV subsidies. Cancel all fossil fuel subsidies.

Elon regarding Cybertruck. Incredible. Going to be AWESOME!

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Watch Tesla CEO Elon Musk in an interview with WSJ’s Joanna Stern at the CEO Council Summit.
2021 Dec 6
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I agree with him. Cancel all EV, Charger and oil industry subsidies.

EV is already showing the demand is there. Oil is on the way out and they are making billions without even paying fair prices for oil and gas leases on federal property. \\No more corporate welfare.
 

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Musk To Use Q4 Earnings Call To Reveal Key Tesla Cybertruck News
Remember, Musk said he will no longer be present on Tesla calls unless there's major news to share.

Dec 07, 2021 at 10:00am ET
https://insideevs.com/news/552993/musk-major-cybertruck-news-january/
By: Steven Loveday


If you follow Tesla and related news on social media, you may have been swamped with Elon Musk news and quotes yesterday. This is because the Tesla boss participated in an interview as part of the Wall Street Journal’s CEO Council Summit.

While some Tesla fans urged Musk not to do the interview for fear that his statements may be turned against him, he moved forward with the event, and we now have loads of new and exciting Tesla news.

Tesla has a lot on its plate, and it's hard to determine what's most important. Many people will likely tell you they're waiting on more news about the Tesla Cybertruck, though the opening of Tesla's new Gigafactories in Germany and Texas is arguably more pressing, and must happen ahead of anything related to the Cybertruck.

That said, Musk again talked about the Cybertruck, which has been delayed for some time and could be the fourth or fifth electric pickup truck to come to market in the US at this point. The CEO reiterated that the Cybertruck may be Tesla's best product ever. He also said it will be very difficult to manufacture.

Musk has mentioned a few times of late that the Cybertruck will be packed with future technology, and went so far as to call it "an insane tech bandwagon." We also just learned that the single-motor option will go away, and the Cybertruck will only be available with two or four motors. The quad-motor variant will come to market first.

Perhaps more importantly, Musk said he will be providing some important Cybertruck product updates during the Q4 2021 earnings call in January 2022. Remember, Musk said he may no longer be on these calls unless there's something major to reveal. He wasn't present on the last call. According to Teslarati, Musk shared during the WSJ interview:
“The Cybertruck is gonna be an incredible product. I think it may be our best product ever. I think it probably will be. It has a lot of new technology, so it’s hard to make. I bet it will be awesome. I think I’ve said before, but we’re aiming for volume production in 2023. I will provide more detailed product updates on the Tesla earnings call early next year. I wish it could be sooner, but that’s most likely when it happens. It will be something really special, like one of those rare products that happens once in a while that’s really special."
What's your take on this? What could Tesla possibly do to make the Cybertruck more appealing? The Rivian R1T has already come to market, the GMC Hummer EV pickup truck is coming very soon, and, if all goes as planned, the Ford F-150 Lightning will also arrive ahead of the Cybertruck.

If GM plays its cards right, it could certainly launch an all-electric Silverado or a related product before the Cybertruck comes to market, not to mention, the quad-motor Cybertruck isn't going to be cheap. Leave us your wisdom in the comment section below.
 

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Watched the video.

I‘ve been saying similar things to Musk regarding the incentives for some time with much resistance.

I am a little concerned because what he’s said about the Cybertruck is very reminiscent of what he said about the Model X which ended up being more than 18 months late.

What could make the Cybertruck more appealing?
  • Range more of it, having it all on tap all the time.
    • 400+ miles on dual
    • 600+ miles on quad
    • (Don’t know if here will be any other configs at this point)
  • Faster charging. Sustaining 100kW+ through 70% state of charge would be A+.
  • The capability to plug outside solar panels into the truck.
  • FSD Out of Beta and safe for normal drivers.
  • “Come get me” and “Go to this place” modes where it can drive solo to a location picked on a map. Ideally including forest roads in routing.
  • Off road assist which helps pick lines when off-roading.
  • V2H/ V2G integration — I’ve really come around on this.
  • Fold flat front row so you can sleep in the cabin.
    • —or— Mid Gate
  • Camping and off-road options that don’t break the bank!
  • A rack system that doesn’t completely destroy range.
We’ve talked about all these things before. Not sure there is anything particularly “new”.
 

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If we didn't need incentives, it would definitely mean the incentives were just for rich people and established companies.

We have a long way to go to getting enough EVs onto our roads.

-Crissa
 

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If we didn't need incentives, it would definitely mean the incentives were just for rich people and established companies.

We have a long way to go to getting enough EVs onto our roads.

-Crissa
Maybe they always have been?

Not suggesting that was the *intent*, but often the effect of a piece of legislation is far different from the result.

My feeling on this is much in line with Musk‘s as well. If the costs associated with ICE were fully realized (Carbon tax, stopping oil subsidies, etc), the economics would fix this without adding *more* subsidies to the mix.

I realize that is not politically possible, but one can dream.


I do. :love: :love: Love that the new law adds support for 3 wheeled super efficient cars. If they are going to do this, it should include the most efficient vehicles in the lineup.
 

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We have a long way to go to getting enough EVs onto our roads.

-Crissa
It is not because of the demand, as you yourself have pointed out many times. It is a lack of production and batteries. Tesla is doing their part by increasing the number of factories and battery production. Now it is up to the OEMs (looking right at you, Toyota and Stellantis) to get with the program and do a reality check. GM & Ford need to step up the pace and are finally realizing that EV is the real future. Oil is a fading product for automotive propulsion. We are at the up slope of the S curve of adoption.
 
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IS THE END OF FOSSIL-POWERED VEHICLES FINALLY IN SIGHT?

Posted on December 07, 2021 by Charles Morris

Just four years ago, the end of the Oil Age was considered a crazy dream. Today it is official policy in a growing number of countries, states, cities and corporate boardrooms around the world.

Certainly, there are good reasons to be skeptical that proposed phase-outs and bans will actually take place as scheduled. However, a major conceptual barrier has been crossed—the idea can no longer be dismissed as the ravings of green-eyed lunatics.

In 2017, a bill that would phase out the sale of gas burners starting in 2040 was introduced in the California legislature. Matthew Metz, Co-Executive Director of the advocacy group Coltura, published an op-ed calling for Washington state to follow suit. “Crazy” was one of the kinder words used in the media reaction that followed. Mr. Metz was called loony, “moonbatty” and (of course) a commie. “I’d say the reaction is about 99.9 percent negative,” he told The Seattle Times. “But people will get over it.”

How crazy was the idea? In 2020, California Governor Gavin Newsom issued an executive order requiring all new passenger vehicles sold in the state to be zero-emission by 2035. In March 2021, Washington state raised the stakes, proposing to phase out the stinkers by 2030. Massachusetts and New York have also joined the movement away from oil.

As NPR reports, a lot has changed in four years, and “what was once a fringe idea is now part of a global trend.” Tesla has become the world’s most valuable automaker, and its success has caused a mad scramble by the legacy brands to accelerate their own electrification programs (or at least to try to convince Wall Street that they’re doing so). Some of these have announced their own self-imposed deadlines to end production of fossil-powered cars.

“More and more countries are announcing targets to phase out internal combustion engine vehicles at the national level,” Sandra Wappelhorst of the International Council on Clean Transportation told NPR.

At last count, some 25 countries and several US states have announced plans to end the sale of petroleum-burners. The European Union is considering a zero-emission mandate that could start to bite around 2035. Global capitals including Amsterdam, London and Oslo have proposed bans on gas burners in city centers. Many, many urban transit agencies have set dates to convert their public transit fleets to all-electric. Automakers that have announced plans to wind down production of ICE vehicles include GM, Honda, Mercedes, VW and Volvo.

Readers, we are skeptical. As far as we are aware, not a single one of the “bans” that have been announced is actually settled law. Most are “proposals,” and some are executive orders that could easily be reversed by a future administration. Some headline-grabbing announcements, such as COP26’s non-binding suggestion that all vehicles be zero-emission by 2040, or President Joe Biden’s call for 50% of US sales to be EVs by 2030, amount to little more than statements that “it would be nice if...” The proposals from automakers invariably include weaselly phrases like “if market conditions allow.”

Furthermore, the timelines attached to most of these proposals are so far in the future that no action will be required in the next few years (except for commissioning consultants to prepare lengthy studies and market assessments at taxpayer expense). The policymakers who crafted all these vague proposals will be out of office and on the golf course long before their successors have to figure out how to implement them.

However, that doesn’t mean that all these proposals are meaningless. Some automakers seem to be taking them seriously, and so is the oil industry, judging by the ever-growing flood of anti-EV FUD that’s been taking over our inboxes lately. And a few years from now, we might just be surprised to find that some of these jurisdictions (California and Amsterdam are likely candidates) remain deadly serious about ending fossil-vehicle sales on schedule.

Perceptions matter, and right now public perception is coming around to the idea that the Oil Age is drawing to a close. The demise of gas cars may be pretty far in the future, and it may turn out to be a messy affair, but it’s no longer a crazy idea.

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Written by: Charles Morris; Source: NPR
https://evannex.com/blogs/news/is-the-end-of-fossil-powered-vehicles-finally-in-sight
 

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I agree with him. Cancel all EV, Charger and oil industry subsidies.

EV is already showing the demand is there. Oil is on the way out and they are making billions without even paying fair prices for oil and gas leases on federal property. \\No more corporate welfare.
Also… end oil subsidies and start charging a carbon tax.

We’ve tried the carrot, need a little more stick.
 
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Someone on Twietter said something and he told them he did it himself.

As a fellow self-hair-cutter. Tons of respect. His hourly rate is about 10,000/ hour so he likely saved $5000 doing it himself.
Actually the opposite. He saved nothing. It cost himself more.

He should have hired a professional for $200 to visit for 15 minutes and have Elon use less of his time.

Elon could relax & chill during that time.

But he is a billionaire so he can do whatever he wants.
 

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It is not because of the demand, as you yourself have pointed out many times. It is a lack of production and batteries.
...And we need to pay for that production increase. The EV incentives do that. That make sure those factories will pay off, and the cars get into American hands.

Not just those lucky and rich enough to grab the first 200k.

-Crissa
 
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