Profit protection against resellers/scalpers.

[JBee]

Exactly, Ferrari and Rolex contrive a supply problem and encourage a perception of high value in the aftermarket to justify the exhorbitant profits on their exclusive products.

Tesla has an actual supply problem for a mass produced product. I am suggesting Tesla impose similar profit protection measures as businesses that contrive demand.

Please provide some justification of parasitic profit that benefits the customer…I can only think of one.

Seriously though, what would Tesla spend the extra few million, or maybe $100 million on, whilst having 10's $billions sitting on their account doing nothing?

Tesla is supply constrained not cash constrained.

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[JBee]

And besides all this doesn't actually matter to you since CT not going to Australia for awhile. Or! Maybe it is. Maybe why giga Shanghai is getting 9k ton press

Ha...you obviously don't know who's pulling EM'S strings on this forum. I've said it before EM is following my posts...next we'll have a Giga in Adelaide and battery plant in Perth using local litium and nickel!

 

[Dids]

Seriously though, what would Tesla spend the extra few million, or maybe $100 million on, whilst having 10's $billions sitting on their account doing nothing?

Tesla is supply constrained not cash constrained.

I believe you are wrong. How is Tesla supply constrained? They said at semi launch that they were no longer battery constrained.

 

[Dids]

Ha...you obviously don't know who's pulling EM'S strings on this forum. I've said it before EM is following my posts...next we'll have a Giga in Adelaide and battery plant in Perth using local litium and nickel!

Only problem with that is... They would have to hire you and then who knows what horrible events would occur.

 

[JBee]

I believe you are wrong. How is Tesla supply constrained? They said at semi launch that they were no longer battery constrained.

Chips?

They still have cash with nothing to do.
They're not in it for the money.

 

[Dids]

Chips?

They still have cash with nothing to do.
They're not in it for the money.

Maybe....

 

[JBee]

Only problem with that is... They would have to hire you and then who knows what horrible events would occur.

Like banning all cars, all money, all politicians, and getting ***** to have to barter his sour grapes to get a ride in my CT to the nearest scalpers anonymous?

 

[JBee]

Although I don't see the real or imagined proportions of scalping the CT properly, I can agree with the premise that it could have a short term effect on pricing for a short period after launch. But without a hard figure on just how many will be flipped I can't see a reason why Tesla should add more complexity to their sales strategy, let alone add reasons for lawyers to make money defending or enforcing contractual obligations, that doesn't add value to the customer either.

My lawyer told me 20 years ago, if they want to screw you over they will, contract or not.

Maybe robotaxi is the solution and nobody gets to own a CT...at that point some of us might have to relearn how to walk instead, to entertain that last remote glimpse of freedom and autonomy we still have left.

 

[Dids]

If the secondary market is such a problem then I propose this method.
Tesla puts the early vehicles on an auction where the price decreases every few minutes until someone pulls the the buy trigger.... Then the next one... Until MSRP is reached then begins delivering on reservation list.
Now line jumpers just pay more directly to Tesla. Good for investors. Reservation holders aren't tempted out of their truck or incentivized to make a res they don't want or locked out of reselling for any period

 

[Deleted member 3316]

what on earth does it matter if the imbalance of supply/demand is contrived or “natural”?

regardless of preconditions for the imbalance, it is the fact of the imbalance itself that provides substrate for secondary markets. There is zero effective economic difference between your imagined woodworker example and Nike purposefully limiting production - from the perspective of the resulting imbalance of supply and demand. If anything, Nike is merely ATTEMPTING to have it as good as your woodworker.

maybe that’s the problem. You’re confusing your sense of subjective moral outrage with any objective economic fact about the world. Thus all your hyperbole about “parasites,” price gouging, etc.

You come across as merely butt-hurt that someone will “jump the line,” another will help them, and meanwhile threaten your precious ability to have a toy sooner than later.

These are fungible models of cars, dude - not necessities.



Oh ok, I was kind of making a sarcastic joke - but you actually do believe you’re mentally out in front.

*backs away slowly*



you asked for opinions, I injected that your question betrays a misunderstanding, you called me dumb.

so here we are - interneting!

I wasn’t planning on scalping my early CT reservation, but that was before I knew that by scalping I could illicit so much enjoyable butthurtedness!

Tesla will implement some modest and essentially ineffective measures to address the most egregious instances of scalping - but only as an effort to address customer satisfaction. The fact of these scalpers results in no economic loss to Tesla, and in fact the hype and hyperbole around it - such as this thread! - generates a type of marketing that is priceless.

If Tesla does more than that, it will only be because Elon read this thread, recognized @***** ’s unmatched foresight, and gives him the keys to reimagine a Tesla where no buyer is left with a hurt feeling!

You have articulated tacit acceptance of rape, theft, and generalised abuses of power as legitimate paths to personal fulfilment. So yes, I am morally offended by these near universally accepted insults to a functional society.

Cast your net over your pool of red herrings as much as you like but you still have not caught the big fish basis of this thread;

What is the benefit to Tesla or the customer of parasitic profiteers?

or

a slightly more difficult question for someone of your moral calibre. What is the point of a queue?

(PS parasitic profit is not hyperbole -an exaggeration not to be taken seriously- it is merely an apt description)

 

[JBee]

You have articulated tacit acceptance of rape, theft, and generalised abuses of power as long as they are in your favour. So yes, I am morally offended by these near universally accepted insults to a functional society.

Cast your net over your pool of red herrings as much as you like but you still have not caught the big fish basis of this thread;

What is the benefit to Tesla or the customer of parasitic profiteers?

or

a slightly more difficult question for someone of your moral calibre. What is the point of a queue?

(PS parasitic profit is not hyperbole it is merely an apt description)

Probably not quite that bad?

What time do you have, its 2am here on the west coast...but I suppose it's weekend?

 

[Deleted member 3316]

Probably not quite that bad?

What time do you have, its 2am here on the west coast...but I suppose it's weekend?

I’m demonstrating a point here wait for it….

 

[Deleted member 3316]

If the secondary market is such a problem then I propose this method.
Tesla puts the early vehicles on an auction where the price decreases every few minutes until someone pulls the the buy trigger.... Then the next one... Until MSRP is reached then begins delivering on reservation list.
Now line jumpers just pay more directly to Tesla. Good for investors. Reservation holders aren't tempted out of their truck or incentivized to make a res they don't want or locked out of reselling for any period

Interesting, I don’t understand the benefit of a reverse auction in this context. Why not a regular increasing auction?

Also this does not seem to honour the reservation list.

 

[Deleted member 3316]

Although I don't see the real or imagined proportions of scalping the CT properly, I can agree with the premise that it could have a short term effect on pricing for a short period after launch. But without a hard figure on just how many will be flipped I can't see a reason why Tesla should add more complexity to their sales strategy, let alone add reasons for lawyers to make money defending or enforcing contractual obligations, that doesn't add value to the customer either.

My lawyer told me 20 years ago, if they want to screw you over they will, contract or not.

Maybe robotaxi is the solution and nobody gets to own a CT...at that point some of us might have to relearn how to walk instead, to entertain that last remote glimpse of freedom and autonomy we still have left.

Yes, restrictions in a sales contract would add litigation risks.

As much as some here would like to imply the premise of this thread is unlikely an original idea.

The sales contract that would hold the most water is restricting reservation holders to either a lease to buy or an outright purchase through an auction process open to all comers.

The arguments about vehicle ownership are resolved, the queue is honoured and the pricing structure is more readily managed without supply/demand volatility.

 

[Dids]

Interesting, I don’t understand the benefit of a reverse auction in this context. Why not a regular increasing auction?

Also this does not seem to honour the reservation list.

The reservation list is for purchase at minimum MSRP. These scarce earlier vehicles are on a descending MSRP, a separate group. The reason for reverse auction is to prevent bidding/ not an auction at all.
Scenario: 1st vehicle has MSRP 200k, no one buys it. After a period it drops 5k and Jay Leno buys it. Because he wants a single owner cybertruck really badly...
Second vehicle is now offered for 195k and 3 more are sold. Because idiots won the lottery.
Then price drops again because there are very few people who will pay that much if they can get it for less if they wait. At some point the price is at 95k and 5000 people will take it.... Then Tesla starts delivering on reservation list simultaneously delivering at minimum MSRP simultaneously with the descending MSRP group with the end of descending MSRP at some point. Say within 10k or something of minimum MSRP.

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