Charging stations in less travelled corridors / NEVI

[roadrunner32]

It's all well and good that Tesla has installed fast charging in large cities and the interstate hi ways that connect them. But charging is really needed elsewhere. We've all probably heard that the government funded $5 billion for building charging infrastructure across the country and only only 8 chargers have been installed and two are not working, right? Well, No, actually 295 have been installed. The bill or program is called the NEVI program. NEVI which stands for National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure for the purpose of installing a minimum amount of chargers on less travelled corridors, for example, San Antonia to Laredo. The bill or program is to correct the problem presented to residents living along these corridors who will not buy an EV because there is no where to charge. It's really necessary to get to wide spread adoption and to keep up with the rest of the world. Funding to states has been approved as of November 2023. However it does take much time for individual states to plan where charging is to be implemented, get authorization from electric utilities, let out bids to contractors, on and on. It's only been less than two years. To make matters worse some states are actually dragging their feet. Texas for example has paused their implementation of the charging stations. Texas has been gifted a growing employement base by Tesla. Pausing the program makes no sense.

This explanation of the NEVI program comes from a "State of Charge" video interview of William Ferro of Paren Co. . check it out.

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[Woodrick]

I think that you are reading more into NEVI that the states that are deploying it have. I really don't see it being deployed in areas underserved by Tesla locations. It's mainly locations that the politicians *think* are underserved, or underserved by CCS, or in their covered areas.

But it appears that all of this may be drying up.

 

[brur]

the best place to put chargers is in apartment buildings, condos, and businesses.
that is if you want tom dick and harry to buy electric cars. charging from home overnight is a convenience that everyone can understand.

 

[REM]

If a quick Ai search yielded the correct results, there have been 31 stations built so far with an estimated 3.3 billion dollars spent.

Unmitigated disaster.

 

[Macgreiner]

If a quick Ai search yielded the correct results, there have been 31 stations built so far with an estimated 3.3 billion dollars spent.

Unmitigated disaster.

Source?

 

[roadrunner32]

the best place to put chargers is in apartment buildings, condos, and businesses.
that is if you want tom dick and harry to buy electric cars. charging from home overnight is a convenience that everyone can understand.

Yes, it was stated that apartments was part of the NEVI project. my contention (a different issue) was its not a problem to get to your destination city, but once you get there the hotel doesn't have chargers, even level 2 for overnight charging. (Then you get to listen to the complaining). ha

 

[roadrunner32]

I think that you are reading more into NEVI that the states that are deploying it have. I really don't see it being deployed in areas underserved by Tesla locations. It's mainly locations that the politicians *think* are underserved, or underserved by CCS, or in their covered areas.

But it appears that all of this may be drying up.

watch the video

 

[REM]

Source?

Google Gemini, who read reports from the associated .gov website

 

[HaulingAss]

We've all probably heard that the government funded $5 billion for building charging infrastructure across the country and only only 8 chargers have been installed and two are not working, right? Well, No, actually 295 have been installed. The bill or program is called the NEVI program.

When you consider that in Q4 of 2024, Tesla installed 3,074 Superchargers, and only about 20 of them were under the NEVI program, 295 fast chargers to date starts to look really pathetic!

The NEVI funding has a temporary freeze on it (and rightly so). Projects already awarded are allowed to continue but the new administration will likely re-write the requirements to make more sense. It appears that anti-EV interests got involved in the original NEVI program to make it take longer and cost more to deploy stations.

One specific problem with the NEVI program was that it allowed full funding for stations that didn't even have a single NACS connector, the most popular charge port on EVs on American roads, and the connector that all manufacturers are transitioning to for cars made after 2025. In fact, if a DCFC didn't have a CCS connector, it would receive zero funding!

Another problem: Tesla's average cost per Supercharger is ~$40K. But the Nevi program is awarding around $120,000-$140,000 of taxpayer money per connector, even though it's only paying less than 80% of the cost. In other words, we could have 3-4 times as many fast chargers for the same amount of money if NEVI simply contracted Tesla to install Superchargers with Magic Docks everywhere. They would be more reliable and actually work with all EVs on the road (except for the few thousand EVs that have CHAdeMO).

Hopefully the new administration can quickly improve the program requirements before turning the money taps back on. The original program was infected by corruption and bureaucracy. That won't stop the democrats from screaming and crying foul while ignoring just how screwed up it was.

 

[HaulingAss]

Yes, it was stated that apartments was part of the NEVI project. my contention (a different issue) was its not a problem to get to your destination city, but once you get there the hotel doesn't have chargers, even level 2 for overnight charging. (Then you get to listen to the complaining). ha

Level II charging is phase II of the NEVI program. Apparently, the NEVI program can't chew gum and walk at the same time. ?

Pure governmental idiocy.

 

[roadrunner32]

When you consider that in Q4 of 2024, Tesla installed 3,074 Superchargers, and only about 20 of them were under the NEVI program, 295 fast chargers to date starts to look really pathetic!

The NEVI funding has a temporary freeze on it (and rightly so). Projects already awarded are allowed to continue but the new administration will likely re-write the requirements to make more sense. It appears that anti-EV interests got involved in the original NEVI program to make it take longer and cost more to deploy stations.

One specific problem with the NEVI program was that it allowed full funding for stations that didn't even have a single NACS connector, the most popular charge port on EVs on American roads, and the connector that all manufacturers are transitioning to for cars made after 2025. In fact, if a DCFC didn't have a CCS connector, it would receive zero funding!

Another problem: Tesla's average cost per Supercharger is ~$40K. But the Nevi program is awarding around $120,000-$140,000 of taxpayer money per connector, even though it's only paying less than 80% of the cost. In other words, we could have 3-4 times as many fast chargers for the same amount of money if NEVI simply contracted Tesla to install Superchargers with Magic Docks everywhere. They would be more reliable and actually work with all EVs on the road (except for the few thousand EVs that have CHAdeMO).

Hopefully the new administration can quickly improve the program requirements before turning the money taps back on. The original program was infected by corruption and bureaucracy. That won't stop the democrats from screaming and crying foul while ignoring just how screwed up it was.

It sounded like a very worthwhile project get chargers out in the rural areas. The guy in the video did not mention the cost or the amount allocated per charger. he did say there were some Tesla chargers in the program. He didtn't say anything about non CCS connectors not allowed. Agreed, the anti EV sentiments, especially for Tesla, probably affected the program. I was so disappointed that the program was cancelled, having not being able to make some trips my self due to lack of chargers in rural routes. Oklahoma's lack of chargers was ridiculous. We can only hope that Tesla will do something as it it is doubtful the "drill baby drill" administration will do any thing for us. Otherwise, I'm all for the cleaning up the gov't waste and fraud.

 

[HaulingAss]

It sounded like a very worthwhile project get chargers out in the rural areas. The guy in the video did not mention the cost or the amount allocated per charger. he did say there were some Tesla chargers in the program. He didtn't say anything about non CCS connectors not allowed. Agreed, the anti EV sentiments, especially for Tesla, probably affected the program. I was so disappointed that the program was cancelled, having not being able to make some trips my self due to lack of chargers in rural routes. Oklahoma's lack of chargers was ridiculous. We can only hope that Tesla will do something as it it is doubtful the "drill baby drill" administration will do any thing for us. Otherwise, I'm all for the cleaning up the gov't waste and fraud.

I wouldn't worry, the far left is over-reacting and telling falsehoods again still. Because the NEVI program wasn't cancelled, it was put on a temporary hold while it's audited for fraud, waste and corruption. The program will be re-written in a more sensible and efficient fashion to build more and better chargers than we would have seen if the program was allowed to run it's misguided and fraudulent course.

In other words, this temporary pause of NEVI is a very good thing for EVs, not bad.

 

[roadrunner32]

I wouldn't worry, the far left is over-reacting and telling falsehoods again still. Because the NEVI program wasn't cancelled, it was put on a temporary hold while it's audited for fraud, waste and corruption. The program will be re-written in a more sensible and efficient fashion to build more and better chargers than we would have seen if the program was allowed to run it's misguided and fraudulent course.

In other words, this temporary pause of NEVI is a very good thing for EVs, not bad.

thank you!

 

[henchman24]

The idea of NEVI is good, the execution has been poor. Very few states have managed it well and actually worked to have the funding serve areas it was designed to. Colorado is probably the best example. They spread out the bids and specifically targeted areas that were/are underserved. Next door, New Mexico basically approved the same coverage that already existed with simply more chargers (granted the ABQ to Las Cruces stretch would get a good upgrade though)

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