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Considering no one would want their vehicles "ransomwared" or "commandeered" by an "Agency" (so as to remove one from Earth..., ) I think Tesla should 1) REMOVE all "back doors" from computer programs -- UNHACKABLE! 2) put in 100% fool-proof maual override capabilities in case the display goes out, especially a fully independent emergency parking brake.. 3) Have DIRECT linkage to solar panels, on my array or ones i take with me, for charge capability. 4) 2-120vac and 2-240 vac outlets!

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When I took my X in for its annual service (which it doesn't need but I had pre-paid) I forgot to leave the key. Because of the back door they were, nonetheless, able to drive the car and complete the service.

If your Tesla is stolen they can disable and locate the car via back doors.

They can download logs for diagnosis and can update software while the car sits in you garage.
 
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When I took my X in for its annual service (which it doesn't need but I had pre-paid) I forgot to leave the key. Because of the back door they were, nonetheless, able to drive the car and complete the service.

If your Tesla is stolen they can disable and locate the car via back doors.

They can download logs for diagnosis and can update software while the car sits in you garage.

Ok.

Still give options to people.

Not me, I would go back and give key to shop or go to shop to get "updates" and Insurance would pay for my stolen vehicle, but I have never had a vehicle stolen before so the chances are 0% right now.
 

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Most people use expectational thinking (whether they are aware of it). The cost of eliminating "back door" access to the vehicle is

$ = C1*p1 + C2*p2 + C3*p3 + C4*p4 + ....

in which C1 is the cost of having to go back and deliver the key (many people live hours away from the service center) and p1 is the probability you will do what I did, C2 is the cost of losing your vehicle to theft and p2 is the probability your vehicle is stolen, C3 is the cost of having to take the car to the dealer for software updates times the probability that one will be needed , C4 is the cost of the vehicle and p4 the probability that the IRS will order Tesla to disable your vehicle because you didn't pay your taxes. Indeed only the tin foil set would want remote access disabled.
 
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Most people use expectational thinking (whether they are aware of it). The cost of eliminating "back door" access to the vehicle is

$ = C1*p1 + C2*p2 + C3*p3 + C4*p4 + ....

in which C1 is the cost of having to go back and deliver the key (many people live hours away from the service center) and p1 is the probability you will do what I did, C2 is the cost of losing your vehicle to theft and p2 is the probability your vehicle is stolen, C3 is the cost of having to take the car to the dealer for software updates times the probability that one will be needed , C4 is the cost of the vehicle and p4 the probability that the IRS will order Tesla to disable your vehicle because you didn't pay your taxes. Indeed only the tin foil set would want remote access disabled.

F= me + others minus big brother minus control freaks = F (FREEDOM FROM) COMMUNIST -SOCIALIST-PSYCHOPATHS.

NOBODY'S business how many hamburgers I eat a day, when I eat them or WHERE I eat them or WHERE I go and WHEN I go!! Only the PARANOID want to know!!!

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If you put a tin foil hat on the antenna, tracking is disabled. Little know fact, electrical tape must be used to adhere the hat instead of duct tape. Electrical tape assists in insulating the signal.

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F= me + others minus big brother minus control freaks = F (FREEDOM FROM) COMMUNIST -SOCIALIST-PSYCHOPATHS.

NOBODY'S business how many hamburgers I eat a day, when I eat them or WHERE I eat them or WHERE I go and WHEN I go!! Only the PARANOID want to know!!!

FREEDOM MAN. F R E E D O M!!!!!!
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F= me + others minus big brother minus control freaks = F (FREEDOM FROM) COMMUNIST -SOCIALIST-PSYCHOPATHS.

NOBODY'S business how many hamburgers I eat a day, when I eat them or WHERE I eat them or WHERE I go and WHEN I go!! Only the PARANOID want to know!!!

FREEDOM MAN. F R E E D O M!!!!!!
No wonder I have doubts about this.....
 

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F= me + others minus big brother minus control freaks = F (FREEDOM FROM) COMMUNIST -SOCIALIST-PSYCHOPATHS.

NOBODY'S business how many hamburgers I eat a day, when I eat them or WHERE I eat them or WHERE I go and WHEN I go!! Only the PARANOID want to know!!!

FREEDOM MAN. F R E E D O M!!!!!!
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Putting the sound and fury aside for a moment I know that many here have not owned Teslas and thought they might be interested in knowing a little bit more about what Tesla does with the remote access beyond what I have already mentioned.. First let's go back to OTA software updates. These are frequent. I've had 22 of them in 13 month's of ownership so that function may appear to be the most important use of remote access. While driving the car is, obviously, watching the road, the roadside and other vehicles through the accoustic sensors, radar and cameras. If it encounters something that is a little unusual it will forward the sensor data, including video, to the mother ship for incorporation in the training data base. Next, trip planning, using Teslas trip planners, is done at the mother ship. You specify where you want to go and the algoritm, run on a computer at Tesla, figures out the best route insuring you will reach super chargers etc. There is a pretty complete map in the car itself but satellite imagery is, if you subscribe to Premium Connectivity, downloaded as you go.

Finally, there is an API. If you wish you can subscribe to third party products which use this API to query the vehicle periodically and maintain logs for you. You may find these very valuable as you have a record of all trips, charges, software updates available as well as fleet statistics if that's the sort of thing you are interested in. One of these takes vehicle location and gets terrain and weather data from national data bases so that it can show the driver head/tailwind component and grade. These apps use tokens for authentication but, nonetheless, drive the tinfoil guys even farther off the real axis.
 

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Putting the sound and fury aside for a moment I know that many here have not owned Teslas and thought they might be interested in knowing a little bit more about what Tesla does with the remote access beyond what I have already mentioned.. First let's go back to OTA software updates. These are frequent. I've had 22 of them in 13 month's of ownership so that function may appear to be the most important use of remote access. While driving the car is, obviously, watching the road, the roadside and other vehicles through the accoustic sensors, radar and cameras. If it encounters something that is a little unusual it will forward the sensor data, including video, to the mother ship for incorporation in the training data base. Next, trip planning, using Teslas trip planners, is done at the mother ship. You specify where you want to go and the algoritm, run on a computer at Tesla, figures out the best route insuring you will reach super chargers etc. There is a pretty complete map in the car itself but satellite imagery is, if you subscribe to Premium Connectivity, downloaded as you go.

Finally, there is an API. If you wish you can subscribe to third party products which use this API to query the vehicle periodically and maintain logs for you. You may find these very valuable as you have a record of all trips, charges, software updates available as well as fleet statistics if that's the sort of thing you are interested in. One of these takes vehicle location and gets terrain and weather data from national data bases so that it can show the driver head/tailwind component and grade. These apps use tokens for authentication but, nonetheless, drive the tinfoil guys even farther off the real axis.

Thanks for taking the time to provide all that information--very useful. My data isn't all that entertaining or interesting (my overall thought on Google and others that get my data).

So what is the monthly cost for Premium Connectivity, transfer of all this data (through cell service?, our phone?), and whatever else we are gonna want? (non Tesla owner here).
 

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The connection is through WiFi if it is available and that brings up another important point. Most people, in getting ready for delivery, install a Level 2 charger in the garage. It is equally important to have a WiFi hotspot. The vehicle automatically connects to your WiFi hotspot if it is in range and automatically connects to Tesla's if you are at a Service Center. When on the road the connection is through ATT's LTE. If you are in an area where ATT is not available you can tether to your cell phone (provided, of course, that your carrier has coverage in the area). Tesla has arrangements with Canadian carriers so these features are available in populated parts of Canada. I think that's true in Mexico too.

I don't know what Tesla will do in the future or even what they are doing currently but when I got my car a year ago Premium Connectivity was free for the first year at the end of which it becomes $9.99/mo. I don't do Karaoke and if I want to watch a movie I go to my big LED TV so much of what I pay for Premium is a waste. The feature that I am willing to pay for is the traffic alerting. It is pretty accurate and very timely. Areas of thickening traffic appear as orange and heavy congestion appears in red. I have no idea where they get the data. I suspect that some of it may come from vehicles in the fleet e.g. my car sends a report to the mother ship indicating that I am doing 15 mph on the beltway. Combined with similar reports from other Teslas (and other makers vehicles) the system would reasonably conclude that the portion of the beltway I am on is congested.

I was a systems engineer so I always try to get people to appreciate that the vehicle itself is just one segment of a larger system with some others being the charging segment, the communications segement, the repair and maintenance segment...
 

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The connection is through WiFi if it is available and that brings up another important point. Most people, in getting ready for delivery, install a Level 2 charger in the garage. It is equally important to have a WiFi hotspot. The vehicle automatically connects to your WiFi hotspot if it is in range and automatically connects to Tesla's if you are at a Service Center. When on the road the connection is through ATT's LTE. If you are in an area where ATT is not available you can tether to your cell phone (provided, of course, that your carrier has coverage in the area). Tesla has arrangements with Canadian carriers so these features are available in populated parts of Canada. I think that's true in Mexico too.

I don't know what Tesla will do in the future or even what they are doing currently but when I got my car a year ago Premium Connectivity was free for the first year at the end of which it becomes $9.99/mo. I don't do Karaoke and if I want to watch a movie I go to my big LED TV so much of what I pay for Premium is a waste. The feature that I am willing to pay for is the traffic alerting. It is pretty accurate and very timely. Areas of thickening traffic appear as orange and heavy congestion appears in red. I have no idea where they get the data. I suspect that some of it may come from vehicles in the fleet e.g. my car sends a report to the mother ship indicating that I am doing 15 mph on the beltway. Combined with similar reports from other Teslas (and other makers vehicles) the system would reasonably conclude that the portion of the beltway I am on is congested.

I was a systems engineer so I always try to get people to appreciate that the vehicle itself is just one segment of a larger system with some others being the charging segment, the communications segement, the repair and maintenance segment...
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